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vintage vs modern wiring

Discussion in 'Telecaster Discussion Forum' started by Beatlefreek, Nov 23, 2010.

  1. Beatlefreek

    Beatlefreek TDPRI Member

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    Oct 10, 2010
    Maple Ridge, BC
    'scuse muh ignernce ... but I'm new to the whole tele thang, and I came across another post that mentioned the difference between vintage and modern wiring ... without actually explaining what that difference is.

    So ... could somebody please enlighten me. What is the difference between these two kinds of wiring and what effect do they have on how the pick-up selector/tone controls work ... and, I suppose, the relative pros and cons of each?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Mark Davis

    Mark Davis Telefied

    Mar 2, 2003
    Bakersfield Ca.
    Vintage wiring.

    Switch all the way up neck pickup plays with no tone control and the signal goes thru some resistors and caps to make a sorta Bassy muffled sound.

    Switch in the middle neck pickup plays with tone control.

    Switch all the way back bridge pickup plays with tone control.

    Modern

    Switch all the way up neck pickup plays with tone control

    Switch in the middle both pickups play at once with tone control

    Switch all the way back bridge pickup plays with tone control
     
  3. johnnytronics

    johnnytronics Tele-Holic

    972
    Feb 20, 2006
    Big Apple, NYC
    Vintage = bad
    Modern = good
     
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  5. sonserve

    sonserve Friend of Leo's

    Bf,
    Mark Davis really knows this Tele stuff. So there you go. If you ever want to modify the wiring on your guitar you can do a seach here or go to any number of pick up manufacturers web sights.

    I like the modern right out of the box. I haven't removed the pick gard in twenty years.

    Welcome to the TDPRI!
     
  6. Beatlefreek

    Beatlefreek TDPRI Member

    59
    Oct 10, 2010
    Maple Ridge, BC
    Hmmm? Thanks. That's very interesting.

    I wonder how many people actually prefer the vintage wiring to the modern? To my way of thinking, the modern wiring would apppear to be far more versatile. But then again it all depends on personal taste and the desired application.
     
  7. thejerk

    thejerk Tele-Meister

    Mr. Davis is correct, and this is how 52 reissues come, stock.

    But just to add confusion, "50s wiring" often refers to the way the tone pot used to be connected on Les Pauls. Basically, the tone pot is connected from the output of the volume pot instead of the input.

    This is also known as the "Fezz Parka mod" around here, as well as a few other names. On normal "modern" wiring, you lose treble when turning down the volume. The 50s wiring scheme reduces this, allowing better treble retention as volume is lowered. The other approach is to use a treble bleed cap, but that lets too much treble through IMO. I use the 50s version on all my guitars, works great!
     
  8. rcole_sooner

    rcole_sooner Poster Extraordinaire

    Feb 12, 2010
    Norman, OK
    Ya don't see that very often.
     
  9. Mark Davis

    Mark Davis Telefied

    Mar 2, 2003
    Bakersfield Ca.
    If you ever listen to Roy Buchanan his Tele was vintage wired.

    He never used the all the way up preset bassy sound position only the middle and all the way back switch positions.
     
  10. rcole_sooner

    rcole_sooner Poster Extraordinaire

    Feb 12, 2010
    Norman, OK
    Yeah, on LPs the 50s wiring is preferred, at least by many.
     
  11. Beatlefreek

    Beatlefreek TDPRI Member

    59
    Oct 10, 2010
    Maple Ridge, BC
    thejerk says: "... [with] "50s wiring" ... the tone pot is connected from the output of the volume pot instead of the input."
    "On normal "modern" wiring, you lose treble when turning down the volume. The 50s wiring scheme reduces this, allowing better treble retention as volume is lowered."

    So apart from this treble retention, would the pup selector/tone control operation work the same as with an otherwise modern wiring?
    ie: 1. Switch all the way up neck pickup plays with tone control
    2. Switch in the middle both pickups play at once with tone control
    3. Switch all the way back bridge pickup plays with tone control
     
  12. Mark Davis

    Mark Davis Telefied

    Mar 2, 2003
    Bakersfield Ca.
    The treble bleed mod juat helps the highs stay on when its turned down it doesnt affect the switch or how the pickups work except the treble is retained at lower volumes.
     
  13. Beatlefreek

    Beatlefreek TDPRI Member

    59
    Oct 10, 2010
    Maple Ridge, BC
    Thanks. That sounds like a very useable mod!
     
  14. prawnik

    prawnik Tele-Holic

    838
    Apr 4, 2009
    Kiev, Ukraine
    True, and a very common mod among Gibson people.

    Irony is, some 1950's Gibsons left the factory with "modern" wiring, and some even had one pickup wired "vintage" and one wired "modern."
     
  15. Soopajeanmi

    Soopajeanmi TDPRI Member

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    May 6, 2009
    paris
    Each time I try the neck with muffled tone of the vintage wiring I feel frustrated because I don't see any situation I'd use that tone.

    My favorite is the modern wiring, as the middle "both pu's on" position is really beautiful on a telecaster.

    2 others wiring (I thought they were "vintage") that I find interesting are the tone pot acting as a blend of neck and brige pickups and this wiring:
    1/ neck with tone control
    2/ bridge with tone control
    3/ bridge with tone control out of the circuit

    That 3rd position is *bad*, in a good way ;)
     
  16. Mark Davis

    Mark Davis Telefied

    Mar 2, 2003
    Bakersfield Ca.
    The only reason that preset bassy sound was put in there is Fender electric BASS guitars werent invented yet so that was ment to emulate the sound of a bass.

    It really works great with a fuzz pedal thats the only use Ive used it on.
     
  17. theGecko71

    theGecko71 Tele-Holic

    704
    Nov 18, 2008
    Dayton (NYC Refugee)
    Vintage wiring sounds like the standard Esquire wiring. I've been thinking of rewiring my Esquire or adding another pickup because I rarely find a reason to use that muffled bassy position. I have to add lots of gain just to hear it properly. That said, it can sometimes have its uses. I use it here for the overdriven bassy line:

    http://www.reverbnation.com/tunepak/3061184
     
  18. caliban335

    caliban335 Tele-Afflicted

    May 4, 2007
    Cleveland, Ohio
    So what do we call the wiring I have on my Nocaster RI? As far as I can tell there is no tone control. From neck to rear:

    1) neck pickup only with "bassy" circuit

    2) Neck pickup only straight to jack

    3) Bridge and neck, blended with blender citcuit where tone control would be
     
  19. Maxadur

    Maxadur TDPRI Member

    That's the set-up I like on my '07 Nocaster. It came factory -wired "modern", and I thought i liked it until I changed it to vintage with the included parts, and it came alive. Without the tone control, it had more "crrangg" and brashness, and was more like an Esquire. The blend control gives more possibilities with both pickups on. I would not go back.
     
  20. mellecaster

    mellecaster Former Member

    That's referred to as the Earliest "Blend" wiring...I like it also
     
  21. Mark Davis

    Mark Davis Telefied

    Mar 2, 2003
    Bakersfield Ca.
    As mellecaster said its what was used on jroadcasters and Nocasters. In 52 it changed to the vintage wiring.
     
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