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Two single coils in a humbucker space?

Discussion in 'Just Pickups' started by backporchmusic, Mar 11, 2018.

  1. backporchmusic

    backporchmusic Friend of Leo's

    Nov 28, 2006
    USA
    Does anyone make two single coils, that you can wire up separately, that fit into a standard humbucker space? That you can just slip into a plastic humbucker surround and drop in?

    So much potential for this idea...
     

  2. Sollipsist

    Sollipsist Tele-Afflicted

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    I seem to remember investigating this idea a while ago and finding out that the proximity of the coils does undesirable things. But I'm sure someone here knows more.
     
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  3. Bruxist

    Bruxist Friend of Leo's

    Oct 12, 2010
    Kentucky, USA
    A Seymour Duncan Stag Mag is somewhat close.
     
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  4. ebb soul

    ebb soul Poster Extraordinaire

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    That is exactly what the bridge pup(s) on the fender Jeff Beck model were, .a thicker, non humbucking sound.
    I have done similar on a squier CV bass, but the bobbins being triangulated it wont do for a square slot or bucker ring mounting .
     
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  5. jvin248

    jvin248 Poster Extraordinaire

    Apr 18, 2014
    Near Detroit, MI
    Strat pickups are wider than standard humbuckers (maybe not without the covers). I have converted an HSS into SSS by fitting a Strat bridge pickup inside the humbucker cutout but it needed to be at an angle (which was fine, I could play it like standard or with the Hendrix-reverse-angle).

    Robbie Robertson Custom Shop Strat is pretty close, but needs a custom pickguard. There was a Korean/Japanese made Squier model that had two single coils like this for the bridge and no neck pickup.

    [​IMG]
    http://www.fendercustomshop.com/ser...tratocaster-1-piece-maple-fingerboard-bronze/
     

  6. backporchmusic

    backporchmusic Friend of Leo's

    Nov 28, 2006
    USA
    I thought of the Robbie Robertson guitar, but wondered if there were a drop-in solution. I've got a carved top guitar that might not work with a pickguard to hide the routing, so my options are limited.

    But I was thinking of a 4 pickup run with inside coils that have on/off switches, and the outer with a three way switch.
     

  7. Teleterr

    Teleterr Friend of Leo's

    Feb 7, 2011
    Lewes De.
    Squires will fit, at least in all the routes i ve tried, Squire or MIM bodies. I made 2 into a HB using a AlNiCo bar just like normal or you can get replacement magnets for the poles. BTW they sound fantastic. When made into a HB it actually sounds like a Strat p-up as a HB instead of generic like actual Fender HBs.
     

  8. ndeli55

    ndeli55 Tele-Afflicted

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    It sounds like you just need a 4 lead humbucker or two.

    The stag mag was already mentioned. It’s supposed to be two stratpickups together HB style. It’s not modular but modular is going to take custom work.

    I’d be inclined run 4 lead tv Jones with a conversion ring, or in their humbucker sized configuration
     
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  9. Mincer

    Mincer Tele-Meister

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    Well, that is exactly what it is...2 single coils (with staggered magnet poles) and 4 wires. You can build one yourself with any 2 single coils. Thing is, the series sound is not really like a humbucker, as it is too thick. The parallel sound is better, and may work in some guitars.
     
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  10. Golem

    Golem Tele-Meister Silver Supporter

    I've got a pickup designed by it's builder to sound like a WHRB that does this. Sounds great split. Doesn't sound thick in series. I don't know what magic he's doing.
     

  11. 4pickupguy

    4pickupguy Poster Extraordinaire

    May 12, 2013
    Fort Worth, Texas
    I have two 5-Way Switches operating this very pup scenario. Much more possibilities. BTW my inner pups (RP/RW) are tapped so when you go series, it doesn't go all boom-town. You may want to play with some junk drawer pups to see what I mean because it is severe otherwise. Keeps the mids musical too. PLEASE post the end product!! Very interesting. Happy tweaking!!
     
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  12. ac15

    ac15 Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

    May 9, 2005
    CHICAGO, IL.
    Not sure, but the idea isn’t new. Hamer USA had a model of guitar that did that. I think it was the Phantom. In fact, I think it had what looked like a triple coil pickup, but was actually a humbucker and a single coil in the same space.
     

  13. Michael A.

    Michael A. Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    Jan 12, 2013
    Virginia Beach, VA
    While it is not exactly what the OP is suggesting, Dean Zelinsky is using paired single coils in his Sidekick pickups.

    https://deanzelinsky.com/sidekick-pickup

    Here are pics of a loaded guard I bought used locally.

    Deanpickups.jpg Deanpickups5.jpg
     
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  14. fakeplastic

    fakeplastic Tele-Meister

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    Feb 24, 2007
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    Lace Sensor Dually, which are essentially two singles stuck together. They offer several models for different tones, I think they are great for this setup.
     
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  15. schmee

    schmee Friend of Leo's

    Jun 2, 2003
    northwest
    Lace Dually's are actually 2 singles, but as a humbucker format. I have a hard to find Black set. Available reasonable as I'm not using it.
    [​IMG]
     

  16. guitarbuilder

    guitarbuilder Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

    Mar 30, 2003
    Ontario County
    Does anyone make two single coils, that you can wire up separately, that fit into a standard humbucker space? That you can just slip into a plastic humbucker surround and drop in?

    So much potential for this idea...



    I wound a few Gibson sized humbuckers with two coils each that used alnico magnet pole pieces instead of a bar magnet and slugs. I called them slugbuckers in my "lets make a pickup" thread . They are chimy-er than a regular humbucker. I wanted to tap a coil in a humbucker that actually sounded like a fender guitar....LOL.


    This is one of the first ones where I cut my own plastic bobbin material. I put it in the bridge position of my Goldtop Les-G. In later versions I just used regular humbucker bobbins.

    slug.jpg




    gold lesg.jpg

    Photobucket ruined the threads, but if you have the google plug in and use
    Chrome, the pix are still there.
    http://www.tdpri.com/threads/lets-make-a-pickup.330248/

    http://www.tdpri.com/threads/the-les-g.365964/


    There isn't much out there on the net, but Rich Rice of Rice guitars is/was doing it with his guitars now.

    https://www.ricecustomguitars.com/

    https://www.ricecustomguitars.com/pickups.php?pickup=slug
     
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2018
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  17. TRexF16

    TRexF16 Friend of Leo's

    Apr 4, 2011
    Tucson
    I'm really surprised nobody has mentioned SD P-Rails. They are exactly what you described, "two single coils that you can wire up separately, and fit into a standard humbucker space. and slip right into a humbucker ring. The only thing is Seymour stuck the two single coils (a P-90 and a Rail) together so you can't take them apart.
    http://www.vintageguitar.com/3744/seymour-duncan-p-rails-pickups/
    They come in white, cream, or black, neck and bridge, two different "hotnesses" on the bridge, and trembucker or Gibson-spaced. They are 4-wire, so in effect you have the hot and ground for each coil of the pickup. If you combine them with SD Triple Shot rings you can have Rail, P-90, series humbucker or parallel humbucker from each pickup running in to what ever switching option you already have wired. Crazy versatile.
    One cool thing is that while parallel wring on most humbuckers just sounds the same as split coil but no hum, parallel on these is quite different than either of the two coils alone - a very nice and useful tone.
    I like them. I have one guitar with them already and two that I am building that will feature them.

    Rex
     
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  18. S00NERMAN

    S00NERMAN Tele-Meister

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    Jan 7, 2016
    Pratt,KS
    I put two Lace Sensor Silvers together on this build, seems to work just fine. I cut the holes myself as I didn't want a bunch of space showing around the sides of the pickups. DSCN0169.JPG
     
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