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Tom Petty ... Another Victim

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by FenderGyrl, Jan 19, 2018.

  1. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Doctor of Teleocity

    Mar 2, 2010
    In the late '90s I frequented a needle exchange in NYC and carried a card that provided I not be arrested for possession of paraphernalia.
    One day after getting back from a spin dry rehab I stopped by and the place was vacant, but there was a 30 yard dumpster out front.
    The 30 yard is the biggest size you see at construction or demolition sites.
    Being street level with nothing to lose I climbed up to see what was in the can, maybe there would be stuff I could sell for drugs.

    It was maybe five feet deep with legal size manila file folders containing a few pages each of medical info, collected by the now vacant program.

    Every folder represented a dead junkie.

    I suspect there are many atrocities that seem new but have gone on for decades or centuries, only new due to newly being considered news.
    Though being able to buy kilos of fentanyl from China without any medical license does seem to have worsened the Russian roulette game.
    Maybe like going from six empty chambers to four.
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  2. Omiewise65

    Omiewise65 Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

    Aug 15, 2009
    Bavarian Iller Delta
    So true , it hurts twice if the family washes their hands clean now . They should have helped him , instead of slinging mud at his remembrance . RIP Tom
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  3. brookdalebill

    brookdalebill Telefied Ad Free Member

    Nov 15, 2009
    Austin, Tx
    Very sad.
    He left us an embarrassment of riches.
    Thanks, brother.
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  4. cabra velha

    cabra velha Tele-Afflicted Platinum Supporter

    Jan 21, 2016
    estados unidos
    If you live long enough everything starts hurting, and if you really lived hard it hurts like hell. I think the majority of people sooner or later are going to end up on some cocktail of pharmaceuticals . . .and probably be thankful for it.

    TP had a long run and did a lot with it, I don't see him as a tortured soul or "victim" on the scale of many names that come to mind. Everyone makes mistakes, and there is not much room for error when it comes to some of the narcotics listed in the report, it is eerie how similar the circumstances are to Prince.

    Clearly he had his demons (who doesn't) but labeling him this or that seems pointless and small.

  5. hopdybob

    hopdybob Tele-Holic

    May 28, 2008
    to bad that the medical world in the VS does not have a nationwide warning system that interacts when prescriptions don't match, even in the case that when prescriptions are from multiple doctors all over the states.

    if i would have to go to a doctor on the other side of the Netherlands from where i live, the pharmacist system will give alarm when it would not match with what i already use.
    and i am thinking you would not get it done in the USA because off all the financial influences of the industries and insurances.
    seeing the doc Sicko some years ago makes me wonder if the health care will ever be save for the the people of the USA.
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  6. maxvintage

    maxvintage Friend of Leo's Ad Free Member

    Mar 16, 2003
    Arlington, VA
    I was never a huge Petty fan but his best songs nail that Hank Williams spot between simplicity and depth.

    The Warren Zanes book is really good in a lot of ways. It really captures the complicated dynamics of a band, better than any book I've read. From the beginning Petty was the leader partly because he was the guy with ambition, but they were a band in the old fashioned rock and roll sense, and like a lot of bands they worked out the tune and their playing and arrangement made it what it was. Petty seizes power early on, and the rest of the band never quite stops resenting it. At one point some member of the band is quoted saying, when Petty is in a low spot or feeling a lot of pressure, "well, that's what you wanted. You wanted to be the guy in charge who gets the lion's share of the credit: enjoy." Like "you're on your own dude, pay the cost to be the boss."

    Zanes makes the tension between the individual artist and his collaborators really central, like Petty is caught between the inspiration and drive that possesses him and his desire to be with his friends, in a community. He isolated himself from the band by seizing a leadership role and getting the lion's share of the money, and he got more rich and more famous and more control, but clearly it didn't make him happy. Or maybe it made him happy but at a high cost.

    Because that's quite a pharmacy of powerful drugs he was taking. The family's narrative is it was all about hip pain, but clearly there was a bunch of other stuff going on. Why not just, like Eddie Van Halen, get the hip replacement surgery? "Nah, I think I'll just score a bunch of drugs illegally and take 'em casually to deal with the pain of this tour I must do because I want another million dollars to add to the money pile." What kind of decision is that? The combination of self destructiveness and self-aggrandizement is remarkable.

    Sorry for his family and friends and fans. Clearly he was in various kinds of pain
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  7. songtalk

    songtalk Friend of Leo's

    Damn. That's heavy. I hope your recovery has been stable and you haven't had any problems since then. I have lost a LOT of friends to prescription opioids in the last 5 years. In fact all of the deaths of people my age have been related to them.

    Hunter, Brendan, Stanz, Travis, Jim, Sheila.

    Good thing Travis and Brendan served our country. They both got PTSD and pain killer habits for it along with their purple hearts and honorable discharges. Came home from Afghanistan quieter. Paler. More tired. Ready to sleep forever. I don't know what we do overseas. But it shakes people to the core. And then they either accept it and LOVE it in an act of self preservation, or they are true to them selves and feel incredible guilt and shame.

    I think it's atrocious how we treat those who serve us in our armed forces.

    They truly make sacrifices NO ONE can fathom til they put themselves through it. Even people who go through it seem incapable of fathoming that which they are made fundamentally aware of.

    It's definitely self medication of the most dangerous and deadly sort and the money made from it's continued allowance is what perpetuates the cycle.

    Not "bad choices" at all. A lot of times we just angrily shout "suck it up, you chose this" while trying to focus on the dopamine inducing consumption that is American Life to distract us. Not everyone is so susceptible.

    Some people need more than 4x4s, hemis, satellite TV, football, beer and porn to survive what they've been through.

  8. otterhound

    otterhound Poster Extraordinaire

    Dec 14, 2008
    Manheim Pa.
    Delightfully provincial . Thanks .

  9. FenderGyrl

    FenderGyrl Friend of Leo's

    Jul 22, 2012
    A lot of "Deep" posts above. Glad to see that everybody seems to be able to share their thoughts and respect the thoughts of others.

    After reading thru the thread, I have done a lot of soul searching. I too was deeply saddened when Petty died. Felt like a Book of Memories which marked points of my life was destroyed. I really wanted to believe that he died of a heart attack. Figured that he was a heavy smoker and probably didn't like doctors. I got over it, I can still listen to his music. Then the truth comes out. And here we are.

    I remember that years ago doctors were prescribing me some of the drugs that are listed in the article about TP.
    Thankfully and luckily, I knew right away that I didn't want to live in the grip of all the little labeled bottles. I rejected that path. I have lived for years with both types of pain, physical and mental. "Life isn't easy". Like someone else posted, getting old sure brings a lot of pain to the old body. But it beats the alternative. I've struggled. :confused: I've fallen. :mad: I've gotten back up. :cool:
    Honestly though, if I hadn't walked away from living the Rock & Roll lifestyle... I probably wouldn't be sitting here writing this post.

    The world seems to be changing faster than I can accept it. o_O I have taken a hiatus from the news. I'm trying my best to live centered. Life is short. Its eye opening to learn that people who I thought had "grabbed that golden ring", were actually just hanging on for dear life.
    (Chester, Chris, Prince, Tom) I'm going to be my own Idol for the remainder of my life. ;)

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  10. P Thought

    P Thought Poster Extraordinaire

    When I die, please don't release my autopsy report on Facebook. I miss Tom Petty too.

  11. Musekatcher

    Musekatcher Tele-Holic

    Jan 15, 2013
    Heart O' Dixie
    Another perception shattered, but understandable. I thought Tom was one who was a little more balanced, and going to age out like the best do. When we see this chronic backstory of abuse, compulsion, uncontrolled self-destructive addiction to drugs, desperation to endure virtually anything to keep performing, all coming from an undebatable success, I can only figure he was forever changed at some point in his life, and chasing the unachievable, like we see celebs chasing youth, financial failures chasing wealth, the unpopular chasing acceptance and so on. Tom was a winner and successful, but perhaps had some dark flaw, mostly self-imposed flaw he was trying to overcome, that just can't be overcome when its fictional to begin with. I'll guess its also important to add, his addiction to prescription drugs is deceptively easy, and stupidly socially acceptable, but not undetectable. I'll still reject drugs, the drug culture, the abuse and compulsion, but I'll recognize that he was a great talent and success, at least at some point in his life, and that success is worthy of us all - and not a product of the drugs, dysfunctional compulsion and destructive behavior that shackled him later in life.

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  12. pondcaster

    pondcaster Poster Extraordinaire

    Nov 29, 2010
    Tryon, NC
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  13. tery

    tery Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

    Sep 21, 2012
    It does not appear to be intentional . R.I.P.

  14. songtalk

    songtalk Friend of Leo's

    In addiction and recovery we call these irrational non existent flaws "rationalizing".

    It's part of how we tolerate ourselves as addicts. The thinking goes, "It's okay to be addicted to drugs because I'm so messed up anyway."

    The crazy part is it all becomes real once you get addicted to smack. Manifest destiny.
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  15. Mike Eskimo

    Mike Eskimo Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Nov 9, 2008
    2014 overdose deaths : 47,000+

    2015 overdose deaths : 55,000+

    2016 overdose deaths : 64,000

    Of that last number ? Half of those were fentanyl.

    Somewhere in some meeting, someone has said “Well, sure it is alarming but then again, our research has shown that very few of those people were even registered to vote, much less actually went to the polls...”

    And after the meeting ?

    Big pharma took everyone out to Ruth Chris Steakhouse for a nice long lunch...

  16. FenderGyrl

    FenderGyrl Friend of Leo's

    Jul 22, 2012
    Same one that took Micheal Jackson out ...
    Seems to have been going on for a looooooooooooong time.
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  17. Ira7

    Ira7 Poster Extraordinaire

    Jan 8, 2008
    Coral Springs, FL
    For those who don't think a doctor would prescribe all those meds, without doctor shopping, look into what's going on these days:

    Pain doctors are a dime a dozen, operating centers prescribing this stuff like it's candy. Florida has a HUGE problem with it, and it's a political football.

    After all, these ARE doctors with the right to prescribe, but they're only doctors to make a buck this way.

    They busted a doctor in my town a few years ago, and she ALSO owned the pharmacy selling the stuff.

    I don't recall what grounds they arrested her on, but I think it was totally unrelated to medical, but instead, TAXES.

  18. beyer160

    beyer160 Tele-Afflicted

    Aug 11, 2010
    On Location
    The US does have such a database (and a pharmacist would have gotten an alert if Tom Petty had tried to fill prescriptions for all the drugs he was on in one state's database), but each state has their own. These databases should absolutely be integrated, but remember that most of the 50 US states are each larger than the Netherlands, and you see the scope of the task at hand.
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  19. Wallo Tweed

    Wallo Tweed Tele-Afflicted

    Dec 6, 2011
    Penn's Woods
    It sure has been.
    But it was tolerated, and maybe even encourage, as long as it was only the unwashed near do wells of the ghetto that were dying.
    But now that it is affecting the white middle class in large numbers, it is an epidemic.
    RIP Tom Petty.
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  20. Smiff

    Smiff Tele-Holic

    Oct 1, 2017
    He could have had his mates get medicines prescribed then give them to him to get around being over prescribed himself. Elvis used to have his medical dictionary to see what symptoms he needed to fake to get certain drugs; it would be even easier for Petty’s crew to do this in the internet age.

    I read somewhere some of the medicine isn’t even available in the US, no idea if this is true or not as I don’t live there.

    I’m not angry with anyone, it’s rock and roll; everyone knows what goes on and sometimes it goes wrong. This was one of those times. I don’t know any Petty at all, but I’m into Dylan so came across him that way. He seemed pretty cool on the Wilburys DVD and stuff.
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