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Thoughts on Neck Pickup Positioning

Discussion in 'Tele-Technical' started by Cheap Trills, Mar 21, 2017.

  1. Cheap Trills

    Cheap Trills Tele-Meister

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    Hi! I'm curious about anyone's thoughts on positioning/distancing of neck pickups on Tele or Strat style guitars. I've heard the arguments both suggesting and debunking positioning at the 24th fret, but I was hoping to get some thoughts from experienced folks here on the sonic considerations of neck pickup placement
     

  2. maxvintage

    maxvintage Friend of Leo's Ad Free Member

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    Wherever you put it, its position changes as soon as you fret a note. If you put it there to capture a certain node, then it will only work on open strings.

    I tend to go with what's familiar, because it's familiar.
     
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  3. waparker4

    waparker4 Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Nov 9, 2011
    Philadelphia, PA
    My consideration is both the strat and tele neck pickups sound great. So I guess they are good where they are :)
     

  4. since71

    since71 TDPRI Member

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    Magnetic pull at the node point has some effect? Who knows? But it took me years to realise Maxvintage's point about it only being the node on an open string. Crikey, I can be so stupid sometimes. Waparker4 has got it nailed, though - the Tele works, accept it, digest the data and play.
     

  5. 2 Headed Goat

    2 Headed Goat Tele-Meister

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  6. Lies&Distortion

    Lies&Distortion Tele-Meister

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    I always wondered about a movable pickup to find the sweet spots. But I assume it's been done. Way before I was born...
     

  7. BigDaddyLH

    BigDaddyLH Telefied Ad Free Member

    I like the idea of positioning it where the 23 fret would be. Prime number and all that. Although, 25 is a perfect square and is tempting, too.
     
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  8. Lies&Distortion

    Lies&Distortion Tele-Meister

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  9. cacophony

    cacophony Tele-Meister

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    Hi guys,

    I just thought of something for my Strat, a custom HSH pickguard. Will it hurt (magneticaly wise) if I position the single coil pickup just beside the neck pickup like so?

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    Please enlighten me.

    Thanks!
     

  10. tedtan

    tedtan TDPRI Member

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    It won't hurt anything. Steve Morse has done something similar for years

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  11. Teleterr

    Teleterr Friend of Leo's

    Feb 7, 2011
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    Regardless of what key you are in a Middle p-up never sounds like a Neck...Moving a p-up a fraction of an inch really effects the sound alot, thats why 24 fret necks sound off. Keep it standard.
     
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  12. jvin248

    jvin248 Friend of Leo's

    Apr 18, 2014
    Near Detroit, MI
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    Compare the sound of 'equivalent' Les Pauls to SGs. The SGs have the extra frets and push the neck pickup closer to the bridge. Or the sound of a Strat, that generally has three equivalent-wound-kohm pickups and switching between them shows you the trend in tone. Putting a pickup in the middle of a middle and neck position would give you an average tone between them.

    Get a piece of stiff cardboard, trace out your current pickguard and the new location(s) you want to try, mount everything to that cardboard and install it. You'll get a sense for how it changes. Then you can order a custom cut pickguard and know exactly what you'll get for tone.

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  13. Danjabellza

    Danjabellza Tele-Afflicted

    Sep 22, 2014
    Pahrump, nv
    These sound incredible, and the pickup is nowhere near the 24th fret node.
     

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  14. Teleterr

    Teleterr Friend of Leo's

    Feb 7, 2011
    Lewes De.
    I have uni-route Mule I use for p-up tests. From trying every position I d recommend placing it on a Harmonic. But since its the Neck , only the 5th would be an option. I find the 5th boring for lack of a better word. Just no zing. The 6th is sweet. The 7th, oddly, is Necky to me. Its gives great vowel tones on bends so thats probably why, since it is brighter in general. But w the last two you re in middle territory, the normal middle being in between. Its the 2nd node of the 13th harmonic on a Strat.
     

  15. tedtan

    tedtan TDPRI Member

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    The pickup sound isn't based on nodes as the the nodes only apply to a few notes on each string. The sound has more to do with the location of the pickup.

    A string makes a lot of overtones/harmonics near the bridge and nut as it vibrates and fewer as you get closer to the 12th fret. At the 12th fret, there will be no overtones, only the fundamental. So a pickup placed near the bridge will pick up a lot of overtones and be brighter sounding, and will get warmer and fuller the closer it gets to the 12th fret. If you were to continue moving it from the 12th fret to the nut you will find the reverse: it's warmest at the 12th fret and gets brighter the closer it gets to the nut.
     

  16. E5RSY

    E5RSY Poster Extraordinaire

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    BINGO.
     

  17. E5RSY

    E5RSY Poster Extraordinaire

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    True, but on the two-pickup models the neck p'up is indeed right in the area of what would be fret 24.
     
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  18. Danjabellza

    Danjabellza Tele-Afflicted

    Sep 22, 2014
    Pahrump, nv
    True. Most guitars put it under that node. 24 fret guitars sound pretty nice in the neck position, and they have to shift the neck pickup out of the way of the neck. I'd argue that anyone listening on a blind test couldn't tell if a neck pickup was under the node or not.
     

  19. BigDaddyLH

    BigDaddyLH Telefied Ad Free Member

    For a 21 fret (or less) neck, I bet putting the pup where the 23rd fret would be gives a similar result.
     

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