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The Whiteguards...

Discussion in 'Vintage Tele Discussion Forum (pre-1974)' started by 64Strat, Feb 28, 2013.

  1. FredDairy

    FredDairy Friend of Leo's

    Mar 25, 2007
    Chicagoland
    That '63 Esquire is the prettiest of the bunch!
     

  2. Colt W. Knight

    Colt W. Knight Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Jan 21, 2007
    Tucson, AZ
    The way the paint is peeling on some of those whiteguards, they look like enamel color coats.
     

  3. Telemarkman

    Telemarkman Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Age:
    70
    Dec 6, 2005
    Norway
    We have real similar taste when it comes to those whiteguards, Fred.:cool:

    In reality only the Snakehead prototype was finished in enamel (white). The custom colors (offered from 1960) were either acryl or nitro, the standard blond(e) finish was always nitro.
     

  4. brookdalebill

    brookdalebill Telefied Ad Free Member

    Age:
    60
    Nov 15, 2009
    Austin, Tx
    I have owned a 55 Esquire, a 57 Tele, and two 60 Teles.
    All were great guitars.
    I played guitar/bass at a blues club for a couple of years, and the
    club owner had a 57 Tele that was the "house" guitar.
    I gave my 57 away to a friend, and sold/traded the others.
    It had a one piece ash body.
    Jim Messina's Tele was my inspiration.
    Anybody know what his 50s Poco/L&M era white guard was?
    I recall reading somewhere it was a "mutt", meaning it's body and
    neck were of different years.
    If I win the lottery, I'd buy a nice 50's white guard, maybe a 55/56.
    To me, they have the definitive Tele tone.
     

  5. Major Gruber

    Major Gruber Tele-Afflicted

    Feb 24, 2012
    Colombes France
    Oooooooh! Lucky you. I tried a few 56 and 57 and for some reasons, they were my favorites among all and I never stopped thinking of them. Couldn't afford one so far, so I increased my knowledge about telecaster year models and found me a 51 hidden under a 72 refinish for very cheap. But I'm still dreaming of those second half of the 50's. Question about the 57 model. I know you don't have it anymore, but would you have some more pics of it? I'm curious about a detail. I've noticed 57 often had a little imperfection : a very little lump where the curve under the neck meets the neck plan. My luthier told me it was true, and it was due to a changing of tooling this year. The picture of yours doesn't show it clearly.
     

  6. Olgabowl

    Olgabowl Tele-Meister

    220
    Nov 23, 2011
    Olga, WA
    Love Whiteguards....

    Check this one out...

    I'm doing a copy of it as we speak, right down to the birdseye neck...

    These guitars are my favorite period, by far...
     

  7. Colt W. Knight

    Colt W. Knight Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Jan 21, 2007
    Tucson, AZ
    I don't know if this is correct.
     

  8. Telemarkman

    Telemarkman Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Age:
    70
    Dec 6, 2005
    Norway
    I'm speaking of the time frame of the guitars dealt with in this thread: 1956 - 1963. In 1968 Fender changed to poly for all finishes including blond(e).

    I will of course accept documentation that proves me wrong, but so far I have not seen such evidence.
     

  9. Colt W. Knight

    Colt W. Knight Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Jan 21, 2007
    Tucson, AZ
    That may be true for the later years, but I know the earlier guitars could have been anything from oilbase to enamel.


    I have also seen some say that some blondes were oil base with a lacquer clear coat.

     

  10. Telemarkman

    Telemarkman Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Age:
    70
    Dec 6, 2005
    Norway
    That could probably be correct. That's why I limited the time frame. But parts of Mark Kendrick's info is contradicted somewhat by this article: http://home.provide.net/~cfh/fenderc.html
    No mention of enamel here, only acrylic lacquer (Lucite) and nitrocellulose lacquer (Duco). But then the article deals only with custom colors starting in 1960 (Fender released its first "Color Chart" in 1961). Any possible custom colors before 1960 (though rare) might have been enamel for all I know.
     

  11. Zac

    Zac Tele-Meister

    449
    Mar 30, 2003
    TN
    1968 is the transition year. Some have poly coated necks only, some both body and neck. Early ones can be all "nitro.". By 69 it is a totally poly affair. Except for the head stocks, which still got lacquer. That is why they get darker than the rest if the neck.

    As far as the poly undercoat, fender started using that years before.
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2013

  12. sonicdom

    sonicdom TDPRI Member

    96
    Apr 27, 2012
    switzerland
    here's my '57. one of the meanest sounding teles i have ever encountered. the neck is more like a '58 round neck than the typical '57 v-neck.

    it is actually for sale (in europe) as i am (reluctantly) thinning the herd. pm me if interested...

    dom
     

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  13. MacQuarrie

    MacQuarrie Tele-Meister

    463
    Jun 24, 2012
    Seattle

  14. gtrwrks

    gtrwrks Tele-Afflicted

    Age:
    53
    May 18, 2003
    Oklahoma City, OK
    Beautiful!
     

  15. Robert.V

    Robert.V Tele-Meister

    319
    Sep 4, 2011
    Amsterdam
    what kind of material are the white pickguards made from?

    early blacks were bakelite with nitro laquer..

    but are the whites just plastic or something?

    Sent from my GT-I9001 using TDPRI
     

  16. Telemarkman

    Telemarkman Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Age:
    70
    Dec 6, 2005
    Norway
    I can't say for certain when it comes to the 50's 1-ply guards, but probably plastic. I 1959 they changed to celluloid (the mint green "nitrate guards"), but the 3-ply white ones after 1964 were plastic at least.
     

  17. spankdplank

    spankdplank Tele-Afflicted

    Jan 19, 2007
    Houston, Tx.
    They are not Bakelite or celluloid/nitrate. There was a discussion on the forum some time ago about the identity of stuff, and I can't remember what it is actually called. It is a type of or very much like plastic, but it is fairly hard and brittle.
     

  18. electric

    electric Tele-Holic

    581
    Jun 8, 2009
    America
    I wish I were in Europe.:)
     

  19. burtwangcaster

    burtwangcaster Tele-Holic

    697
    May 5, 2012
    buckley,michigan
    OMG Terry ! That is about as nice as they come.
     

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