The Need For Tweed – 1950s Fender tweed amp tone shootout

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  1. warrent

    warrent Friend of Leo's

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    The Guitar Magazine

    1951 5A3 Deluxe 1959 5E3 Deluxe 1957 5E11 Vibrolux 1956 5E4-A Super (rare 6V6 version)
    1959 5F6-A Bassman

     
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    Cool stuff . Thanks
     
  3. skerwo

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    Thx for sharing, cool amps. Love my Tweed Super amp too.
     
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    No special effects or compression...just a lot of guitar wiggling ;)
    The Super is amazing.
    Interesting how different the Bassman sounds.
    It's weird doing a comparison like that because how to set the tone controls?
    I suppose the Bassman could sound mor like the others with the treble and/or presence rolled off.
    But that tiny bit at the beginning where there is a little lick...I thought, "Bassman!" and it was.
    Such a distinctive sound.
     
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    All amp manufactures have been chasing this tone for years. Buddy Holly's Deluxe sounds insane to this day.
     
  6. dogbert

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    you can build a tweed 5e3 to original specs, the exact schematics, wiring, diagrams, all available. the thing isn't terribly complicated. nor is any element of the design occulted.
     
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    Cool video. My vote would go to the Super, but the 5E3 and Bassman both made me smile as well.
     
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    ^^^^ Yes, I love my Mission 5e3 I built from a kit 6 years or so ago. I love the tweed sound in general and also have a wonderful sounding 57 Twin Reissue. I actually had the opportunity to A/B my 5e3 against a vintage 5a3 and 5e3 in a local shop. All present agreed the Mission sounded the best. Perhaps the old ones needed new caps or something. In any event, that was with a Weber 12a125a speaker in my 5e3 (Weber's take on an old Jensen P12Q). I find it interesting that the Celestion Blue sounded very good in the video. I bought one new (made in Ipswich) for my 5e3 based on the many enthusiastic reviews. Even after 50 hours of break in though, I never got on with the sound. It is very loud which is not a problem, but that upper mid spike is just not to my liking. The Weber is back in and the Celestion sits on the shelf, just another expensive experiment.
     
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    Oh, how I feel the Need for Tweed! Plural! The Needs for (all of them) Tweeds!
     
  10. dogbert

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    I'm glad to hear that a new tweed is spot on. I'm definitely going to build one at some point. there's simply nothing like a tele and a tweed. I might want an attenuator/loadbox and the switched negative feedback mod as well, for recording.

    https://robrobinette.com/5e3_Modifications.htm
     
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    The Super w/Celestion Golds was my favorite..

    Cool video
     
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    No kidding! what's up with all that?
     
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    I especially would like to hear what the attenuator/loadbox solution would be and how you like it. I use a Bad Cat Unleash for both the 5e3 and the low power Twin (5e8a) and it works very well. It's become an important part of my rig. Great to have the integrated effects loop too. And I agree about the Tele/Tweed combination. Or for that matter, the Strat/Tweed combo. Really hard to beat in my book. I'm not looking for anything else
     
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    I put four 12" Celestions Blue ALNICO in my 1958 Tweed Bassman cab and they sound better than anything else I tried.

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    In this 1959 Bassman I had the original Jensen P10R re- coned from Orange County Speakers back around 2005. They have such a unique tone. The tone stack is the .02 + .1 tone caps ( bassman tone stack) and the 1958 above has the .02 + .02 tone caps ( Tweed Twin tone stack).

    The Presence pot in both the 1958, 1959 here have the 25k LIN Presence pot, not the 5K Lin ( as shown in the schematics ).

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    A lot of love for the Super here :). The Super in the vid is the "old one" with 6V6 power tubes, the later ones had 6L6 or 5881 and more power like mine. A fantastic amp with enough power for almost everything. And I´m also very happy with the Weber speakers inside.
     
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    Makes me want to put a Celestion in my 5E3!

    Bob
     
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    Not in the video, I really like a teeed pro and bandmaster.
     
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    Invent our, that is one beautiful maple cab you have there.
     
  19. Mike Eskimo

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    ^^^Indeed it is.

    Makes my back hurt looking at it though.

    Unbeknownst to me at the time, I had one of the first Bassman reissues with the leather handle (that always broke) and the Eminence speakers. I had spent a bunch of years seeing many blues and country bands come through here with that one commonality - 4x10 BM's - so when they first came out w/ the RI's, I bought the floor model from Evola Music.

    One amp I would love to have back...
     
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    I have one of those as well. In 1992, I got it from a guy who ordered it when he heard they were going to start reissuing them. It has served me well for twenty six years. I've replaced the handle more times than I can count. Went through a few speakers as well, seems they used to be affordable not so long ago.
     
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