That's some catch that catch-22...

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  1. Teleguy61

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    Written beginning in 1953, published in 1961, resonates just as loudly today.
    Great writing.
     
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    But none in the Smithsonian. The one the wanted is being allowed to rust away.
     
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    Word.
     
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    this is awesome. it is the guide to modern telecommunications.
     
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    @getbent I read Catch-22, oh probably close to 50 years ago, and I loved the book, but the scene in the plane with Yossarian and Snowden is etched, emblazoned, in my memory, and can still bring me to tears with its power.
    That's some damn fine writing mister.
     
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    This thread is a fine example of teachers as being the unsung heroes of our society. They rarely get to learn about the powerful impacts that their instruction manifests over their student's lifetimes. I split my volunteer time with an Arts Council and a local up and coming visitor center, working with many active and retired teachers and professors. A delightful group that I have so much respect for. It was an English teacher that introduced, "Catch-22" to me that transformed my entire life and philosophy.
     
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    I used to have my kids act it out and then we'd change it to something in their world and it was powerful... it really is the horror of hubris in blood and guts. I will look forward to seeing how george clooney does the scene on the hulu show...

    the first episode worried me... it was very 'stagey' (my wife asked if it had been a play) but the action scenes are very good and brutal and mcwatt scene was compelling... and the dialogue has settled in to a much better patter... I think he is trying very hard to do it well. I am very much looking forward to the snowden scene.
     
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    I first read Catch 22 in high school - not as assigned reading - and was unaware of the subtexts and subtleties. It was a good story and, like many here, appealed to my sense of the absurd and the tragic. Plus it was a WWII book and based on Heller’s USAAF experiences. I kept a copy in my desk when I was in the USAF and read it when things got slow. I re-read the book every few years, and am now due. Thanks for bringing it up. And thanks for the discussion of Catch 22, and for the passion for it and other literature.
     
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    Read it once about five years ago and loved it. I should read it again.
     
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    I think the book is dated material, no matter how important it was at the time. I don't think young people today view the world in a way that can make sense of the satire.


    BUT--more importantly. Am I the only one surprised to find out that charlie chitlin is almost 30 years older than his wife?
     
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    I first read it in 1974... it was published in 61, so 13 years after its release.

    My other favorite books at the time Tortilla Flat (1935) 39 year difference and Huck Finn and Moby Dick (1884 and 1851) were considerably older stories than Catch 22 is for young people in 2019...

    My kids and nieces and nephew read it (I did not pay them) but we had a really fun get together to talk about it... and they are 'young'

    It is true, its time may have come and gone... and there are plenty of great books to read so, if it is, so be it.

    I remember with my first quasi adult girlfriend (college) reading in bed with her and laughing hard out loud and having her insist (joan didion wasn't having that effect on anyone) that I read aloud and it made me laugh louder still....

    She did turn me on to Saul Bellow, and she had amazing.... well, she was great...
     
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    I would venture that it resonates more loudly today.
     
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    Well, until today I didn’t know that Dante Rossetti is credited for dropping the word “yesteryear” into English.

    I teach a Pre-Raphealite seminar every few years. You’d think I’d a noticed?
     
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    Dante spoke English?
     
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    different dante than the inferno dude.
     
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    I think Catch 22 is still relevant.

    For instance the scene when Milo contracts with the Germans to bomb his own airbase. (The contract included strafing!) What does that say about politics and business being bedfellows? And of course when Milo corners the market on Egyptian cotton he has a hard time getting rid of it so he tries to make his fellow soldiers eat it by covering it in chocolate. Milo is the archetypal businessman who puts profit above all else.

    The more I read this thread the more I remember about this book.
     
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    Oh, yeah. That was another thing I was too young for when I "studied" about them, 19th-century English poets.
     
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    Ok, this is really dumb, but I was young.
    My draft lotto number was low, enough so that it was a given that I would be drafted.
    All I knew about Army life was stories my uncles told of WW2, and I was understandably curious.
    I was talking to a friend about my curiosity and he said, let’s go see that new movie Catch-22, that should give us some idea.
    So we made plans to see it, and we did.
    I was actually relieved after seeing the movie thinking, well it doesn’t seem that bad, looks like fun.
    My uncles told stories about girls trading themselves for chocolate bars and silk stockings, and these guys were making their ow hooch, how bad could this be?
    I said this was dumb right up front, so if you wasted your time on my youthful stupidity it’s your own fault.
     
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    I first read Catch 22 around the same time, maybe 1975.

    I was just thinking about it the other day. The line frequently spoken by Orr (I think it was Orr), “I’ve got flies in my eyes.”

    Which, if memory serves, was a premonition of sorts, of his death, after which there were flies in his eyes.

    That line sticks with me for some reason. Hopefully not as a harbinger or omen . . . .

    My top 5 books:
    East of Eden
    Gulag Archipelago
    The Cider House Rules
    My Name is Asher Lev
    Lonesome Dove
     
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