Sweet Little Angel

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  1. BluesBlooded

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    Thank you Richard for posting this video. Just watched it and learned a few things I was doing wrong. I will adjust for the next one. I will also try the Crystalac Brite-Tone line of products.
     
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    While we all wait for the Marvelous Pink Sparkle to emerge from the far east, I made some progress.

    The 1200 grit dry sanding is completed and she is ready to be buffed. But in good measure, I waited since I did not wind my pickup yet. Maybe the finish will be harder.

    Started the winding process and wax bath.

    I used cheap Chinese pickups that I rewound to these values:

    Neck pickup has 4200/3980 turns and register at 6.16k
    Bridge has 5250/5000 turns and register at 8.02k

    The original values where Neck 8k and bridge 15k.

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    Now, back to DPP waiting.
     
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    That reminds me I haven’t wound a pickup in over three years....
     
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    My first couple of humbuckers were Epiphone rewinds. I couldn't believe that there would be a difference in the general tone but it was noticeable and nicer. It's far cheaper to rewind a MIC pickup than buy the parts from scratch, that's for sure. Did you keep the magnets the same?
     
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    Nice,I can't wait to hear them.
    I like the lathe pick up winding machine also!
     
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    Andre...how are you mounting the humbucker bobbins onto your wood faceplate? Do you have registration pins where pole pieces go???
     
  7. BluesBlooded

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    Jup, incidentally, it was three years for me as well.

    Thanks Nick, the lathe winder works great.

    Marty, I did not change the magnet. As for registration, I just tighten the live center of the lathe in the middle of the plastic bobbin until it's tight enough not too move. Worked great.

    I just completed buffing. I must say, it's total crap.

    Very disappointed. The buffing just shows how bad everything is.

    It requires a total strip down to the wood and a start over.

    BUT, I do not have the will, nor the finishing skills to tackle this at this time. Don't know if I ever will. So I will push forward and install the hardware and play with it.

    Before I tackle a redo, I have to refine my finishing skills and that will start with prepping the wood. It's hard to see when you sand and even if I used an eraser block at all time, there is so much unevenness it looks like an old washing board.

    Then there is a crappy sanding job of the lacquer where it is not leveled and apparent. It's no use I pursue leveling because the wood layer is not sanded properly.

    Then there is the application of the finish and the choice of the finish that is faulty.

    Will practice on other build until I feel I'm good enough to start the redo. In the meantime, I'll keep on learning to play BB's song.

    Will post pictures once I start setting it up.
     
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  8. BluesBlooded

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    Watched this video.



    What are your thoughts?
     
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    In 60 seconds!!!!
    Damn that sounds very good!!!
     
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    If there is one thing about guitar building I enjoy less than painting, it’s...

    I don’t know what. I even prefer sanding.

    Routing is scary, but at least it’s early in the build and you can patch it or pitch it. Also you can always just stop in the middle and collect yourself.
     
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    I agree, sanding does not sound so bad after all.

    Speaking of sanding, after talking it out with my wife, she suggested I sanded to wood and restart now, not latter.

    Although I agree she is right, I could not convince myself. It's so darn close to the finish line.

    I decided to restart the wet sanding process hoping for a different result, isn't that the definition of insanity...

    Well, anyway I thought might as well experiment...

    After a while, I was able to peel off the lacquer like the way you peel your skin after a sunburn.

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    Tomorrow, orbital sander and back to square one.

    After a conversation with RickyRicardo, I will order the Brite-Tone lacquer. But before, I have to fix the issues in the wood itself. The back of the neck is not as smooth as I wished and there are some waves in the body I need to address.
     
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    That is one tasty recipe! I can’t wait to hear it!
     
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    I'm glad you like it, it's yours;)
     
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    Brainy, if you are watching, this one's for you;)

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    Ouch, Andre'. I've done a few sand and restarts. It's tough. I think though, you won't regret it. That guitar is already special and needs a proper paint job. When I got discouraged, I tried to remind myself that we do this for fun, right? So this is an opportunity for more fun. :confused:
     
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    Dang it, Andre, that really sux. But I have to agree with your wife, you are doing the right thing, nothing for it but to push through. You’ll be glad you did later.
     
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    Sounds like one of those things almost too good to be true! Toward the end the guy admits to some leveling problems apparently caused by application pads, and I wonder about witness marking between coats since the stuff fully and completely cures each coat, obviously doesn’t burn in. He also commented on a lack of sharpness in the surface reflections, maybe due to the underlying issues with early coats (?)

    What can you use for color coats underneath the stuff? The guy in the video said the mfg. doesn’t want you to add anything to the Solarez to avoid messing up the chemistry.

    I’m thinking sprayed on coats, and get good at spraying, to minimize level sanding, and over compatible colorants, you’re good. 2-3 hours from first coat application to buff-out, wow, amazing. Probably worth dropping the $36 bux or so to give it a try. But on the Angel? Not sure about that.
     
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    Bill, more fun right:rolleyes: I can think of other fun things to do. You are right I will not regret it.

    Rick, no worries, I will not try Solarez on the Angel. I've ordered brite-tone water based finish recommended by Richard. Should get here in a week or so. It will give me time to completely sand it down, address the issue on the surface, then start over the finishing.
     
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    Rick, there is a previous video that shows him staining a top with aniline dye mixed in waterbase lacquer and he sprays it on. So it does go over lacquer but not sure what other types. The deal breaker for me is the fact that you still have to use lacquer for a color coat underneath it such as what Andre is doing here. Also, it's quite expensive. A pint is about the same price as a quart of waterbase lacquer.
     
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    yeah, I too have done the full sand back more than once.
    Just gotta do it sometimes. Better than the regret of knowing you could have done it better...
    steve
     
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