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Sugar Pine Build-Questions

Discussion in 'Tele Home Depot' started by MerleJam, Dec 23, 2017.

  1. MerleJam

    MerleJam TDPRI Member

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    Hey everyone! I have always wanted to build a guitar and since the Tele is my favorite it made sense that’s what I’d attempt. I have some experience working with wood but not at this level. I have limited tools but am slowly getting things together. I knew this would be the best place to get the advice I needed. I purchased a 3 piece sugar pine blank from Marc at Gilmer Wood Co in Portland Oregon. I found some 1/2 inch mdf templates on ebay that I plan to use for the build. I am open to any tips and guidance. Especially regarding working with the sugar pine. I will be posting pictures as I go along. Thank you guys in advance. Merry Christmas!
     
  2. Ricky D.

    Ricky D. Poster Extraordinaire

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    Thanks for joining us!
     
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  3. jvin248

    jvin248 Poster Extraordinaire

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    Use the templates to make a second set of templates that you use to make the guitar with. That way when you nick the template, you can either repair (glue in a piece and router to size) or make new a second template. If you nick your original you're in a tough space.

    When you route the pattern in the wood, cut close to the line first and imagine the router is petting a dog -- move the router so you are petting the grain down not lifting it where it will chip out.

    Practice on scrap wood first.

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  4. MerleJam

    MerleJam TDPRI Member

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    Thank you! I wouldn’t have thought of making another template. After Christmas I’m going to order them and I’ll make another set.
     
  5. MerleJam

    MerleJam TDPRI Member

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    B8C295D3-AFEA-425F-8EB7-C3F712017DFF.jpeg Here’s the body wood.
     
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  6. Macrogats

    Macrogats Tele-Afflicted

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    That's nice looking pine dude. GL with the build, and keep those pictures coming. Merry Xmas to ya!
     
  7. MerleJam

    MerleJam TDPRI Member

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    I wasn’t sure what I was getting but Marc seemed really knowledgeable so I trusted his judgement.
     
  8. guitarbuilder

    guitarbuilder Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    Start reading all the build threads you can and avoid the mistakes that people tend to make when they are newbies. There are plenty of pine body builds here. Photobucket probably impacted many of the older ones. Remember you can always cut and sand to the line to avoid router tear out.
     
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  9. crazydave911

    crazydave911 Poster Extraordinaire

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    Read, read then read again. Pretty much every mistake or success is here, then ask when you're stumped. At that point there's a wealth of info to be had
     
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  10. MerleJam

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    I don’t know if it is quarter sawn or flat sawn. I also don’t know how long it’s aged. It is air dried. I’ve read that pine tales forever to cure so I’m kinda worried about that now. I’ve had it about 18 months now. No idea how long they had it.
     
  11. fenderchamp

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    Omg cut it, route it sand it and play it to death! :)
     
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  12. guitarbuilder

    guitarbuilder Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    The rule of thumb for air dried wood is a year of air drying per inch of thickness. I bet you are OK or close. When the wood is dry it is ready to go. If you don't have a moisture meter, there is an a method to determine moisture content by weighing a sample, drying it in the oven, and weighing it again to determine the MC.


    http://www.dot.ca.gov/ctm/pdf/CT_226.pdf

    If you wait for the sap to crystalize, you'll be waiting a long time :)....
     
  13. MerleJam

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  14. MerleJam

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    I believe the neck template nut is 1 11/16. My Danocaster I had was 1.65 with a chunky C profile .86-.94. 6125 frets and 9.5 radius. I loved that neck. Do you think I could use those specs on a 1 11/16 nut and it feel pretty much the same? If not, how hard would it be to alter the template
     
  15. jmoore65

    jmoore65 Tele-Meister

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    Sugar pine looks a bit like what we call "Baltic pine" here in Oz.
     
  16. MerleJam

    MerleJam TDPRI Member

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    I got my templates in today and they look nice. I do not have a drill press and was wondering if the only thing the drill press was a MUST HAVE for is for the string through? And if I choose to go with a top load am I going to be missing out on anything from the string through?
     
  17. Widerange Hum

    Widerange Hum Tele-Holic Platinum Supporter

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    I'm a top-loading evangelist, but I don't want to start a nitpicking war with string-through evangelists. In my humble opinion, you miss out on nothing with a lop loader. In my humble opinion, the feel in bends is a little better with a top loader. The other benefits are more theoretical. But at any rate, plenty of people including myself love the top loaders.
     
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  18. Widerange Hum

    Widerange Hum Tele-Holic Platinum Supporter

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    And re sugar pine, I've done two or three sugar pine bodies now. Very easy to work with. Just take your time with the router. Nibble and shave, don't bite deep. And like the man said, pet the grain down, don't lift. I made one dumb move on a sugar pine body and it chipped out much farther than I would have expected.
     
  19. MerleJam

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    If there is no tonal difference I think I’ll go with the topload. Thanks Widerange!
     
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  20. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Doctor of Teleocity Vendor Member

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    There will be no sonic difference that rises above the threshold of noticeability....


    and STOP... if you haven't done so already... stop.. make up a body blank from a 2x8 piece of construction pine from the Home Depot etc....it'll cost ya about 5 bux.... practice on that... after ya get up the learning curve, you can use it as fire wood.... don't screw up you prime body blank learning.... and... if you need it... perhaps this stuff I did a number of years ago will help.

    Ron Kirn

    http://www.tdpri.com/forum/tele-technical/201556-fret-leveling-yer-tele-101-a.html

    http://jpbturbo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Tele_template-illustrated-reader-spreads.pdf

    http://jpbturbo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Tele-reader-spreads.pdf

    http://jpbturbo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Setup-reader-spreads.pdf

    http://jpbturbo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Strat-reader-spreads.pdf

    http://jpbturbo.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Strat_template-illustrated-reader-spreads.pdf
     
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