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Strat pickups, bell like tones, suggestions?

Discussion in 'Stratocaster Discussion Forum' started by bluesholyman, Oct 16, 2017.

  1. jannodude

    jannodude Tele-Meister

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    Can you kindly explain to me what those values mean? I know the higher the k the hotter the output but I never really understood why. Thanks in advance
     

  2. robt57

    robt57 Telefied Ad Free Member

    Feb 29, 2004
    Portland, OR
    Not even with a prescription....
     

  3. JayFreddy

    JayFreddy Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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    I don't understand all the recommendations for CS 69's. I had a set and found them midrangey and noisy.

    I find the Fat 50's sweeter with less noise and more chime. I've got them in two Strats.

    Or for a non-Fender product, check out the Lollar Dirty Blonde set. Very bell like tones... I've only got them in one Strat, but they meet all your criteria.

    http://www.lollarguitars.com/blog/2010/05/best-selling-lollar-strat-style-pickups/
     
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  4. awasson

    awasson Friend of Leo's Gold Supporter

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    My understanding is that generally the higher the impedance values, the more output and often times the fatter or less articulate the output but... impedance is only part of the equation. The inductance, type of magnets and materials all play into it as well.

    Those numbers look pretty reasonable and not super hot. I would expect a nice, clean pickup from those values, all things being equal. I’ve got a set of vintage 60’s A5 pickups with that sort of value and they sound nice and chimey. I tend to keep my pickups almost flat with the pick guard though and that does allow them to be really clean and articulate with a nice chime in positions 2 & 4.
     
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  5. 24 track

    24 track Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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    kamloops bc

  6. JayFreddy

    JayFreddy Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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    Aren't these noiseless/humbuckers in a single coil size?
     

  7. 24 track

    24 track Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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    absolutely not, these are a radical design. they are hollow, and wiegh nothing what you see is the pick up the Rare earth magnets and the aluminum frame is the coil, there is a tiny-tiny coil underneath the frame and thats it , they have the best sound of any strat pick ups I have ever used ( I made 7 pickguards with different pick up combinations untill I found these ) totally noiseless and dead quiet. and at 2k each as oposed to 7-8 K for the neck and mid and upto 13K for the bridge these are a different design , well worth looking into.

    I have a set of alumatone humbuckers i cant wait to try out ( Now I have to sneak a new guitar into the house!)

    My other strat has a rainbow pack of Lace sensor Blue-neck ,Silver-Mid, Hot Gold 13K-bridge. these rock as well. well worth looking into!

    P1011411.JPG
     
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  8. jannodude

    jannodude Tele-Meister

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    Thanks!
     

  9. kplamann

    kplamann Tele-Meister Platinum Supporter

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    Yet another vote for SSL1s which make a lovely, bell-like sound.

    I had my luthier work on my strat once and he immediately inquired what those pickups were as he liked them a lot.
     
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  10. hopdybob

    hopdybob Tele-Meister

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    Bill Lawrence has some documentation , not only as a designer but also scientist that explains a lot.
    it can be found here
    http://billlawrence.com/Pages/All_About_Tone.htm/Pickupology.htm

    take the time to read and you save a lot of money at the end ;-)
     
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  11. Zepfan

    Zepfan Friend of Leo's

    Nov 30, 2013
    Horn Lake, MS
    What your describing is a humbucker. You have a solid aluminum coil(low output) wired to a transformer coil to boost the low output, 2 coils wired together in series making them noiseless and that makes them humbuckers.
     

  12. 24 track

    24 track Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

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    kamloops bc
    may be true, here is a close up of the Humbucker version of the pick up, notice it is almost completely hollow

    P1011812.JPG P1011814.JPG P1011816.JPG

    My camera doesnt focus at 3:30 AM pacific time, I cant wait to try these out the singles sound fantastic and have more "Quack" than any other pick up I have tried
     

  13. jannodude

    jannodude Tele-Meister

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    Thanks a bunch! That's my type of literature
     

  14. Zepfan

    Zepfan Friend of Leo's

    Nov 30, 2013
    Horn Lake, MS
    I love these pickups, they sound great. There was a "How to hack a Alumitone" thread over on CigarBoxNation about how they were made and several people made versions of them or submitted ideas, it was very interesting Even Alumitone chimed in and they now offer a pickup for CBG's.
    http://www.cigarboxnation.com/forum...vity&id=2592684:Topic:2850716&page=1#comments
     

  15. Praxis

    Praxis Tele-Meister

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    Cavalier 50's Tigers. Amazing pickups, very reasonably priced.

    I'll add that I've tried literally dozens of strat pickups, looking for that sound. Cavaliers nail it.
     
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  16. blues bondsman

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    I'm not usually into this kind of thread, everyone has their favorite Strat sounding pickups.
    Well I bought the 50th anniversary limited run AMSE in 2004 , it has the 54 Custom shop pickups, two tone burst, all maple neck and a very cool tweed case with a big embroidered 50th patch inside the case.

    Maybe its the pickups and maybe the combination of wood and electronics, however I have played a big old bunch of Stratocasters and nothing has the bell tones for me like that guitar !

    Also played that guitar through Vintage Fenders, Clark Piedmonts and several Victoria's too, sounded so good through them all !

    I would love to try the 54's in a MIM just to see if there is any discernible difference to my ears.
     

  17. moosie

    moosie Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    Go with your first instinct, and get the Fralins. I have a set of his Vintage Hots (not really hot), and they sound very sweet. The Blues Specials are a bit hotter and hence darker, I believe, which will get that big, full sound.

    Another suggestion is Texas Specials. Those are the first decent Strat pickups I played, when I upgraded a MIM. Wow!

    But I would have been even happier with the Fralins, had I known.
     

  18. misterdontmove

    misterdontmove Tele-Meister

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    I've got Rose "Robusta's" in my Strat. They're wound just under 6k I believe. Great pickups IMHO
     

  19. noname_dragon

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    I'm agreeing with moosie. Fralin Vintage Hots are super nice for clean tone. I've had them in my '99 strat since day 3 and they are terrific... detailed and balanced. The stock AM standard PU's were overwound sounding, a little dark and uninspiring for clean country playing IMO. Changing the "block" saddles to vintage style ones improved the tone too.
     

  20. Mekhem

    Mekhem Tele-Holic Ad Free Member

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