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Spotify Hit With $1.6 Billion Lawsuit

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Bones, Jan 2, 2018.

  1. Bones

    Bones Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Dec 31, 2005
    Luddite Island, NY

  2. Big_Bend

    Big_Bend Poster Extraordinaire

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    Neil is still pissed that nobody bought a Pono.
     
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  3. Bones

    Bones Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Dec 31, 2005
    Luddite Island, NY
    My thoughts exactly.
     

  4. ZackyDog

    ZackyDog Tele-Afflicted

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    Speaking of Neil, this was from his '72 biography. I think it's pretty interesting:

     
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  5. kelnet

    kelnet Telefied Ad Free Member

    Apr 17, 2008
    Port Moody, BC
    I guess the songwriters need to get paid.
     

  6. tele12

    tele12 Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

    Dec 2, 2006
    NY
    Shouldn't ASCAP, BMI and SESAC be taking care of this?
     
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  7. Musekatcher

    Musekatcher Tele-Holic

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    Heart O' Dixie
    They will make far far more money by being exposed and distributed thru Spotify, than not. They should be paying Spotify to push their product. The unknown self-promoters are still trying to sell their first 100 discs at flea markets and yard sales. Hint: The radio is free. Radio made [insert all popular bands, artists, musicians and singers] popular prior to the last few years, including Young.
     

  8. Jakedog

    Jakedog Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Mar 26, 2003
    The North Coast
    Uh... this is so wrong I don't even know where to start. For the record, I'm a professional musician and songwriter.

    And radio is gigantic mess.

    I'm pulling off streaming, because it gives me a big fat nothing. Thousands upon thousands of plays results in literally a few bucks.

    Do you not think artists get paid for being on the radio? Radio is a total mess, but the artists get paid.
     

  9. esetter

    esetter Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

    Sep 1, 2011
    MI
    Actually the radio is not free. Why do you think all of the ads are on the radio? The artist and song writer are paid every time a song is played. The money has to come from somewhere. Personally I thought this would happen a lot sooner. I never understood the streaming model, the artist should be paid for their music! Nothing is free in this world!
     
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  10. bottlenecker

    bottlenecker Friend of Leo's

    Dec 6, 2015
    Wisconsin
    What's the business model here, do you think? How does people listening to them turn into money if most people don't buy records anymore? Streaming is not today's radio, it's today's records. People don't just get checks from the universe for being famous.
     

  11. Skully

    Skully Doctor of Teleocity

    Jun 12, 2003
    Glamorous NoHo
    I'm hearing from industry folks that music streaming is finally starting to pay off. I've also talked to industry attorneys on both sides of lawsuits regarding satellite and in-flight radio. Does that give me any insight? Eh... I don't know. I do know that Flo & Eddie/The Turtles are behind one of the bigger, more contentious suits.
     
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  12. otterhound

    otterhound Poster Extraordinaire

    Dec 14, 2008
    Manheim Pa.
    Joe Walsh knows the score . The biz is totally backwards from what it used to be . Touring supported album sales . Today , that may as well be in Martian . Artists need to go direct and that process is very complicated and risky . At this rate , the recording industry will need to reinvent itself every year in the least just to remain viable . Should be one h**l of a ride .
     
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  13. teleman55

    teleman55 Tele-Holic

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    Jul 9, 2007
    fox lake, il
    This is good. I know there are several of these suits against them. I know I'm in one with who knows how many others. I don't expect to see a lot and God knows when, but any $s help. Plus just good to see these guys get spanked a bit.
     
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  14. Bones

    Bones Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Dec 31, 2005
    Luddite Island, NY
    It's sort of funny because the "artists" always claimed that the record companies ripped them off and in time, the "fans" killed the record companies off and "artists" now have no way to make money except touring . No one wants to hear their new new music, no one wants to pay them an advance to record new music, so they do "greatest hits" tours endlessly and the crowds get smaller. I'm guessing a lot of legacy artists would love to have big record companies controlling the business the way they used to. As far as new artists go, how you gonna make it? the club circuit is dead, the 21YO drinking age made sure of that and no one wants to pay $16 for your CD when they can get it for free and if they can't they wont listen to it.
     
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  15. Mjark

    Mjark Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

    Feb 14, 2011
    Annapolis, MD
    So far I've resisted using streaming services. There's been so many complaints by the artists.
     
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  16. Bones

    Bones Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Dec 31, 2005
    Luddite Island, NY
    Spotify is the only way I find out about new bands. I do not listen to commercial radio at all anymore, I do not want to listen to 20 minutes of commercials every hour and the same songs over and over again.
     
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  17. Jupiter

    Jupiter Telefied Silver Supporter

    Jun 22, 2010
    Osaka, Japan
    I'm not "sure" why you are putting "artists" in "quotes", but if I were one, I would take "umbrage".
     

  18. Bones

    Bones Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Dec 31, 2005
    Luddite Island, NY
    because a lot of these people don't rise to the level of "artist", they are good enough rock bands, but let's face it, they are mediocre musicians and songwriters for the most part.
     
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  19. TeleTucson

    TeleTucson Tele-Holic Ad Free Member

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    Aug 6, 2016
    Tucson, AZ
    I see. So those artists in the lawsuit must fall into this category by your thinking ....

    Just can't agree. This is about technology change, but the same market forces are at work and need to be leveled out eventually.
     

  20. Bones

    Bones Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Dec 31, 2005
    Luddite Island, NY
    I'm speaking in general terms. Bands hated the record companies and now they hate the streaming services. The fans are the ones that did this to them along with themselves. I have never heard a musician/singer/songwriter say they think they got a good deal and get paid enough for their music. That's not my fault, maybe they should take business courses instead of getting high and letting other people handle their business. Maybe they should create a better "product" and control it better.
     

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