Solving the Cabronita Bridge Mystery

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  1. kanegon

    kanegon Tele-Meister

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    A public service for those with post-2012 MIM Cabronitas trying to figure out which bridge to use to correct the string spacing.

    Fender made the Cabronitas with 3 different screw/string spacings:

    1. 2012 MIM Cabronitas: strings: 2 1/8 screws: vintage (apparently)
    - why folks noticed the string holes didn't quite line up with the stock plate holes

    2. 2013 Cabronitas + Cab Thinlines: strings: 2 3/16 screws: vintage (1.775", measured w/caliper)
    - uses MIM Vintage Hardtail Bridge
    - what I have and why I ended up doing this

    3. USA Cabronitas: American Standard screws and string spacing.

    Anyway, make a long story short, I overlayed all the plate diagrams I could find, scaled them up and color coded them so you can see how they overlap. The GREEN overlay shows Fender's Am Vintage; more or less how the post-2012 Cabronitas are actually drilled; what you're up against.

    For my purposes, it appears the Hipshot (YELLOW) is the only one that has both the vintage screw spacing AND 2 1/16" string spacing. This explains why almost everyone says it's a drop-in replacement that corrects the string spacing, be it 2012 or 2013. It uses larger string holes that expose most of the vintage spaced string holes on post 2012 MIM, like the one I have. Next best fit looks to be the Rutters La Buritto V (MAGENTA), which also has vintage mounting but slightly wider string spacing (2 1/8), just shy of Am Std's 2.08". The original Burrito (LT BLUE) appears to use Fender's Am Std. pattern. Finally, the Am Std hardtail (RED) bridge has the narrowest string and screw spacing. Judging from this diagram, it would only expose about 1/3 of the vintage spaced string holes. I'll pass on the Axecaster (DK BLUE) due to the string holes being farther up than they should be.

    I have no clue how Callaham manages to work on MIM and USA cabs + thinlines, with AmStd screw spacing and 2 1/16 string spacing. Even with larger string holes, it would be a strain to screw it on. Maybe someone knows... But it says they work on his website.

    Marc Rutters sent me his diagram. The others I lifted from Warmoth and respective websites. Happy Trails!


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  2. stephenyi

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    I think mine is a 2012 and I just used the original bridge and replaced the saddles with a set from Callaham. The strings were aligned much better over the pickup poles after the saddle upgrade.
     
  3. kanegon

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    The narrow vintage (2 1/16) or vintage (2 7/32) saddles? I think the problem with the 2012 bridge was they were grooved, but they’re narrower than the saddles on later Cabs, no?
     
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    Fender made the spacing even worse in the post 2013 Cabronitas/Cab Thinline. It went from 2 1/8 to 2 3/16, so the saddle swap won't work. I just ordered the Callaham Am Std.; Specialty Guitar assures me it's a drop-in replacement.
     
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    Just wondering did the Callaham Am Std. wok out for your project.? Looking at getting a callaham for a thinline but want to make sure it fixes this bungled up mess Fender created.
     
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    I put Hipshot hardtail bridge on my 2012 cab and it fit very well ! The alignment with the screw hole is perfect and the string was more closer to the pole piece especialy with bridge pickup
     
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    I’m not a fan of the CAB Teles ,but that one looks amazing.
     
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    No, the Cally Am Std mounting screw are spaced closer than the 2013 Cab’s vintage spacing. Was given a refund and apology, cuz I bought it with the assurance it would fit. I got the Rutters Burrito instead, which came in two sizes. Marc sent me a pdf template, and I chose the Burrito V, which had the exact mounting screw spacing and pulled the strings closer together to 2 1/8, (which btw is TV Jones spec, not 2.08, as Fender did with original Cab).

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  10. etype

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    I installed the Hipshot on my 2013 MIM thinline Cab. Fit perfectly with the only issue being I needed to remove all but one of the springs (high e) so that I could get the saddles back far enough to set the intonation.

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  11. Mr. Lumbergh

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    The stock bridge on mine works just fine. I didn’t have a problem with intonation or spacing.
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    Great post! Very informative esp the string spacing. Love your cab man. Looking good in surf green.

    Are your TVJones Classic + Classic, or Classic + Classic Plus?
     
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  13. kanegon

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    Just the stock Fidelitrons, which I’m quite okay with. Like the Classics too.
     
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    Any idea on the spacing and what would fit on a Squier Cabronita? Asking for a friend.
     
  15. kanegon

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    Never played one, but judging from photos and comments online, Squire Cabs appear to be spaced at 2 1/8 (same as MIM Tele Standard) with mounting holes that are compatible with Am Std. So, they’re actually closer to the USA Cabronita! That and real Fidelitrons for half the price of MIM. Go figure...
     
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    Thanks for blazing the trail and sharing, definitely saved me some time and money. I traded away one of the telebration cabs with tv classics many moons ago, and have recently picked up a mexi thinline. I now feel whole again, but it definitely needs a couple adjustments to get up to speed - bridge being the major culprit. Neck pickup maybe next but I think the bridge fidelitron is plenty fine.

    I was really hoping the Callaham would fit, I have their bridges on two other guitars and really think they make an excellent product. I emailed them directly and they said they could not guarantee fit - I guess they learned that lesson through your experience.

    I saw an earlier post where someone said the stock bridges aren't that bad, and maybe they got a good one, but mine is a real piece of junk. Looks like I will be joining you on the burrito train, those brass barrels really set it off in my opinion. Thanks again for the consult, definitely answered a worthy six dollar question.
     
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  18. po-boy

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    confusing string spacing measurements because 2 1/16" = 2.0625" not 2.08" -

    hipshot states their hardtail string spacing at 2.08", they never say its 2 1/16" -

    butters states his burrito bridge is 2 1/8" = 2.125" and his burrito v is listed at 2.09" -

    callaham states his American standard hardtail are 2/16" which again should be 2.0625" -

    the gotoh hardtail is listed at 52.5 mm which converts to 2.067" -

    thats just the string spacing ... the holes for the mounting screws are another issue -
     
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