Asher Guitars WD Music Products Amplified Parts Mod Kits DIY Nordstarnd Pickups Warmoth.com
Asher Guitars WD Music Products Amplified Parts Mod Kits DIY Nordstarnd Pickups Warmoth.com
Asher Guitars WD Music Products Amplified Parts Mod Kits DIY Nordstarnd Pickups Warmoth.com
Join TDPRI Today

Series Wiring With 3-Way

Discussion in 'Tele-Technical' started by TN-Hambone, Sep 20, 2009.

  1. TN-Hambone

    TN-Hambone TDPRI Member

    10
    Oct 23, 2007
    Asheville
    I've looked all over for a diagram of this, but can not seem to find it.
    I'm want to modify my stock telecaster wiring to a:
    1:Neck
    2:Neck + Bridge (Series)
    3:Bridge

    And, I want to do this without having to incorporate a push/pull switch....rather I want to keep my 3-way, Vol. and Tone.

    Any of you experts care to chime in?

    TN
     

  2. jlerhun

    jlerhun Tele-Meister

    152
    Jun 13, 2009
    France

  3. TN-Hambone

    TN-Hambone TDPRI Member

    10
    Oct 23, 2007
    Asheville
    Thank You!!
    Now all I need to do is learn how to read the schematic.

    -TN
     

  4. Forum Sponsor Sponsored posting

  5. cc9cii

    cc9cii Friend of Leo's

    Feb 24, 2009
    Sydney

  6. TN-Hambone

    TN-Hambone TDPRI Member

    10
    Oct 23, 2007
    Asheville
    Well, seeing that makes it much easier, but I just realized that my pickups have a red, white, and a braided shield.

    Crap.....not sure how to do this now. ;)
     

  7. TN-Hambone

    TN-Hambone TDPRI Member

    10
    Oct 23, 2007
    Asheville
    Thanks so much for your help.

    cc9cii, I think I have it figured out. I didn't change a thing with the shielding, since it appeared to be independent of everything else. After I string it up tomorrow, I'll know for sure.

    Cheers,
    TN
     

  8. jlerhun

    jlerhun Tele-Meister

    152
    Jun 13, 2009
    France
    To be sure, you might want to check with an ohmmeter if the bare wire (shield) is connected only to the pickup cover/baseplate, or if it's internally connected to one of the other wires. In the second case, you'll need to cut that connection on one pickup, usually the neck one.

    There is one small but maybe important difference between the schematic i've linked to and the last wiring diagrams in the other thread : in the first one, the unused coil in positions 1 and 3 is shorted, whereas in the second it's kept open. That might cause noise when the opened (neck) pickup is still connected to the hot wire : even with a grounded cover, it acts like an antenna ! So for that application, it's better to short the unused coil.
     

  9. cc9cii

    cc9cii Friend of Leo's

    Feb 24, 2009
    Sydney
    ?? If you look carefully, the bridge only position "shorts" the unused neck pickup (the small grey wire at the top of the switch).

    The same thing with the neck only position where the unused bridge pickup is "shorted" to ground (the grey wire between the switch and the back of the pot). I now recommend not to put this wire, because going from 'series' to 'neck only' cuts out signal from the guitar (this is because these switches are 'make-before-break' types. Some people may like it, for additional cut-out effects, but most wouldn't.
     

  10. TN-Hambone

    TN-Hambone TDPRI Member

    10
    Oct 23, 2007
    Asheville
    Ok, let me get this straight. I should remove the gray wire the connects the switch to the volume pot, but leave the other gray wire?
     

  11. cc9cii

    cc9cii Friend of Leo's

    Feb 24, 2009
    Sydney
    yes

    if I have time I'll re-draw the diagram and post it here tonight (Sydney time)
     

  12. TN-Hambone

    TN-Hambone TDPRI Member

    10
    Oct 23, 2007
    Asheville
    Much appreciated!
     

  13. cc9cii

    cc9cii Friend of Leo's

    Feb 24, 2009
    Sydney
    I left the optional wire in the diagram, as some people may want it. It is electrically identical to the other diagram, just better presented.

    [​IMG]
     

  14. cc9cii

    cc9cii Friend of Leo's

    Feb 24, 2009
    Sydney
    This version may be better with noise (if any) on bridge only position. I doubt that either versions have significant differences, YMMV

    [​IMG]
     

  15. jlerhun

    jlerhun Tele-Meister

    152
    Jun 13, 2009
    France
    Yep, i was refering to Deaf Eddie's diagrams.
    Your last diagrams are very clear, thanks ! I think i'll try it soon on my CV ('til i get a 4- or 5-way switch)
     

  16. TN-Hambone

    TN-Hambone TDPRI Member

    10
    Oct 23, 2007
    Asheville
    Wow! Lots of options here.
    Well, last night I went ahead and wired it up like the original diagram you sent, and I have to say I am extremely impressed by, what my ears tell me, is a major improvement. I get a very nice, punchy, humbuckerish sound in the middle position. Plus, while on the operating table I fixed an issue with my jack, which has improved the hum.

    Out of curiosity, I'll try the other options you suggest.

    Thanks very very much!
    TN
     

  17. jlerhun

    jlerhun Tele-Meister

    152
    Jun 13, 2009
    France
    I've tried the series wiring on my CV today. How did i live without it ? It sounds full, with plenty of bass, treble, and punch. Really the addition of the two pickups, not the averaging of them. And it's humbucking too !

    I eventually did a layout simpler than those we've posted before, so here it is.
     

    Attached Files:


  18. kimstar00

    kimstar00 TDPRI Member

    78
    Sep 26, 2010
    Australia
    what would this schematic look like if the 3 way blade switch was replaced with a 3 way Les Paul style switch?

    AND what is that 'new shield wire' coming out from the neck pickup? I've only got two wires coming out of that pickup.

    [​IMG]
     

  19. cc9cii

    cc9cii Friend of Leo's

    Feb 24, 2009
    Sydney
    You'll need specialised Gibson toggle sw, can't do it with normal ones (unless you're abe to mod the sw)
     

  20. PJb4

    PJb4 TDPRI Member

    84
    Aug 17, 2016
    Italy

  21. Silverface

    Silverface Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

    Age:
    65
    Mar 2, 2003
    Lawndale CA
    If you went with a 4-way instead you would have both series & parallel, losing nothing. I find it far more useful.
     
    moosie likes this.

IMPORTANT: Treat everyone here with respect, no matter how difficult!
No sex, drug, political, religion or hate discussion permitted here.