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Series/parallel wiring with a push/pull pot?

Discussion in 'Tele-Technical' started by RomanS, Jun 24, 2007.

  1. RomanS

    RomanS Poster Extraordinaire

    Jun 21, 2006
    Vienna, Austria
    I don't want to use a 4-way switch for my in-the-works Thinline Tele project - I want to use a mini toggle switch.
    But I'd still like to have the series/parallel option when both pickups are chosen - is there a way to do that with a push-pull pot? Couldn't find a wiring diagram for that on the Seymour Duncan site...
     
  2. 6x47

    6x47 Tele-Holic

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    Mar 28, 2007
    Northern ON
  3. sudancat

    sudancat Tele-Holic

    793
    Jul 27, 2004
    North Carolina
    It can be done and has been done with a push/pull switch in the place of tone pot. I dont know how to,interested in it myself. Somebody here had a diagram,either Rob D.,Fuzzy or Deaf Eddie,cant remember,but maybe they will hone in.
     
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  5. tdowns

    tdowns Friend of Leo's

    Nov 8, 2003
    Texas
    Here is the schematic of my Brent Mason guitar that uses a DPDT push-pull to connect the two windings of the middle pickup parallel vs. series. If the schematic does not make it clear, I can whip up and wiring diagram for you this evening when I get home.
     
  6. RomanS

    RomanS Poster Extraordinaire

    Jun 21, 2006
    Vienna, Austria
    Thanks, Terry and everybody else, but I still have a problem of understanding this...
    That Brent Mason-diagram does show how to wire two coils in either series or parallel (and I could just replace the two coils of his middle HB with the two coils of neck/bridge pickup) - but what I'm having a problem with is figuring out how to connect this to a 3-way switch, which would also give me the options of each of the coils alone.
    What I want is

    3 way switch (either Gibson style toggle, ot mini-toggle of the on/on/on type) choosing between

    neck pickup alone <-> both pickups <-> bridge pickup alone
    .....................................|........................................
    .....................................|........................................
    .....................................V........................................
    .......................in series <--> parallel (chosen by push-pull on pot)
     
  7. sudancat

    sudancat Tele-Holic

    793
    Jul 27, 2004
    North Carolina
    go to www.deaf-eddie.net.

    Look for tele wiring series/parrellel, thers a diagram there. I think that may be what youre looking. 3 way with push/pull pot in place of tone pot.pull to put pups in series.Click on wiring diagrams, Go down to Fender wiring diagrams, there will be a tele section, it will be listed, one push/pull-series
     
  8. tdowns

    tdowns Friend of Leo's

    Nov 8, 2003
    Texas
    Sorry. I understand now. Never mind the Brent schematic. It's got to work interactively with the 3-way.

    I think this is the diagram sudancat is referring to. Note that the 3-way switch has no function when PP is in series.
     
  9. RomanS

    RomanS Poster Extraordinaire

    Jun 21, 2006
    Vienna, Austria
    Thanks, guys, perfect! That's exactly what I was looking for!

    Oh, and that's almost better than the 4-way switch I have on my other Tele - I use the series position as a built-in "boost" for solos, with that kind of wiring scheme I can leave the 3-way in my preferred position for rhythm, and just pull out the pot for solos...

    Now I just need to figure out how to transform the wiring of the Tele 3-way switch in the diagram to a Gibson toggle-switch, but that should be easy...
     
  10. kennl

    kennl Tele-Holic

    710
    Feb 6, 2007
    Moon Township, PA
    Series / Parallel Push-Pull

    I like it set up the other way: Parallel out and Series in so I can push down the pot for solos - uses fewer right-hand fingers.

    Ken
     
  11. jumpnblues

    jumpnblues Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    66
    Mar 16, 2003
    Midwest
    Just a quick bit of advice...make sure you stick with a push-pull pot as I've gone through three push-push pots in very short order. They just don't seem to last. I had one installed and just let the guitar sit for awhile (a month or so) and when I started to play the guitar I noticed the pot wouldn't stay pushed in. And I had just had it changed for that very reason! I also had to have one replaced on another guitar. Perhaps others have had better luck with push-push pots. I'm gonna' stick with push-pull pots in the future. :cool: :cool:

    Tom
     
  12. RomanS

    RomanS Poster Extraordinaire

    Jun 21, 2006
    Vienna, Austria
    Yeah, actually you're not the first one to tell me about these problems with push-push pots - seems to be a common problem, so I'll defrinitely use push-pull.
     
  13. Deaf Eddie

    Deaf Eddie Friend of Leo's

    Mar 17, 2003
    Sunny San Diego, CA
    OMG! I know I've finally "been made" when the venerable Terry Downs links to one of my drawings!
     
  14. tdowns

    tdowns Friend of Leo's

    Nov 8, 2003
    Texas
    Oh...get outta town!! :) You are a valuable resource to this forum. We appreciate your knowledge and help. Great website you have too BTW.
     
  15. RomanS

    RomanS Poster Extraordinaire

    Jun 21, 2006
    Vienna, Austria
    OK, I'm officially too stupid for wiring guitars...

    I finished wiring my new Thinline (see the thread about it in the main forum) following Deaf Eddie's diagram - http://www.deaf-eddie.net/drawings/tele-series.jpg - but using an ON/ON/ON type mini switch (the diagram shows a regular Tele 3-way switch) - now, if I pull the pot for series, all I get is the neck pickup by itself... Probably did something wron when trying to transfer the diagram from Tele 3-way to mini-switch; anybody have an idea which wire should go where with that type of switch?
     
  16. Deaf Eddie

    Deaf Eddie Friend of Leo's

    Mar 17, 2003
    Sunny San Diego, CA
    Probably the p/p...

    I don't think your problem is with the on/on/on - it sounds like you haven't lifted the ground completely on the neck pup, OR you mis-wired the p/p.

    The ground lead from the neck pup should NOT go to ground anywhere, it should only go to the p/p. The p/p will switch it between the circuit's ground and the bridge pup's hot lead.

    I redid my drawing to show it wired with an on/on/on toggle:
    series w/push/pull using on/on/on toggle for pup selector
     
    Last edited: Jul 23, 2007
  17. RomanS

    RomanS Poster Extraordinaire

    Jun 21, 2006
    Vienna, Austria
    Wow, thanks Eddie, perfect - now I can see what I did wrong I connected both the pink and the purple wires on the diagram to both of the neighbouring lugs (those that are empty on your drawing).

    BTW, no ground-lift problem, since I'm not using Tele-Pickups on that guitar, but a CharlieChristian at the neck and a P90 at the bridge.

    Thanks again for your great help!
     
  18. RomanS

    RomanS Poster Extraordinaire

    Jun 21, 2006
    Vienna, Austria
    Fixed it, works now (also had to fix another mistake I made - I had mixed up the black/negative wires from the bridge and neck pickups...).
     
  19. franchelB

    franchelB Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    51
    Sep 25, 2005
    Irving, United States of Texas!
    Interesting...

    I also had a push/push pot done to my Tele for the parallel/series wiring. Mine worked great, but I just didn't care for the "grainy" sound". Went back to the 3-way switch, and haven't looked back since!
     
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