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Ripping the guts out...

Discussion in 'Just Pickups' started by MrGibbly, Jan 1, 2018.

  1. MrGibbly

    MrGibbly Tele-Holic

    853
    Apr 19, 2014
    SATX
    ...of my American Deluxe Telecaster. The N3 Noiseless pickups have been "fine" and I mean that exactly the same way my wife and/daughters mean it when they say "fine". I tried for several years. The guitar is lively acoustically and sublime to play (my best player by far). The sound just never did it for me. Here's what I've got ready to go into the guitar:

    *TV Jones Brian Setzer for the Neck
    *Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates for Tele for the Bridge

    Going to reverse the control plate so I quit whacking the switch and changing pickups when strumming and have easier access to the volume knob for swells, etc. 5-way switch, 500k pots, and .022 cap. No push-pulls or anything fancy (I never liked Fidelitrons split, anyway).

    I've pulled the pick guard and it's routed for a middle pickup so I may as well go Nashville with it, too. I've got a black DiMarzio True Velvet that I can toss in...thoughts?

    I'll post to this thread with pics and comments about the results.
     
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  2. nojazzhere

    nojazzhere Friend of Leo's

    Age:
    66
    Feb 3, 2017
    Foat Wuth, Texas
    Careful....start down that road and you may not stop until your Tele is like mine....only original parts remaining are the body, control plate (plate only) and strap buttons. But that's ok, it's where I want it.
     
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  3. Middleman

    Middleman Friend of Leo's

    Aug 29, 2007
    MV, CA
    Wow, now that's a complete change of direction. I'm with you however regarding N3s. They just have this annoying ear piercing bite in the 2-3khz range that pokes out across numerous amps. I pulled them and went with some Custom Shop Blackguards. My American Deluxe Tele also is a dream to play and I went with a non standard cap on the tone knob as well, can't remember the value however. Made a world of difference.

    Anxious to hear how it turns out. One more thing, those red spacers and screws on the N3s, they are impossible to find if you lose them. If you are going to sell those pickups or change your mind later. Make sure you keep them handy.
     

  4. Crawldaddy

    Crawldaddy Tele-Meister

    381
    Dec 12, 2006
    Singapore
    Maybe give us an idea what kind of music you want to play. My only concern is the output balance between all three pickups. Also, you will need a five-way switch and a new ‘guard if you want to go Nashville.

    Otherwise, I’m excited for you!
     
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  5. BradL

    BradL Friend of Leo's Gold Supporter

    Feb 9, 2009
    Sussex, UK
    sounds like a fun project. Looking forward to progress reports!
     

  6. MrGibbly

    MrGibbly Tele-Holic

    853
    Apr 19, 2014
    SATX
    Thanks to my friends here on TDPRI I ordered up a new guard routed the way I need it from Warmoth, and the 5-way is on the bench ready to go in. Great question about output balance... I think the neck and the bridge will be in the same general wheelhouse, but I think you're right question what's going to happen with the Strat-style middle pickup.

    I'm not at all wedded to the notion that the True Velvet is the answer...ideas?
     

  7. MrGibbly

    MrGibbly Tele-Holic

    853
    Apr 19, 2014
    SATX
    Good advice on the spacers, thanks. I'm putting all the original guts in an electrostatic bag with silica gel in the case for safe keeping...you just never know.
     

  8. MrGibbly

    MrGibbly Tele-Holic

    853
    Apr 19, 2014
    SATX
    Exactly the outcome I'm hoping for! Teles are such a great, flexible platform. I love them bone stock and traditional, and I love them all modded up. This just means I get to buy another one later and set it up more traditionally. ;)
     

  9. Crawldaddy

    Crawldaddy Tele-Meister

    381
    Dec 12, 2006
    Singapore
    Probably a stacked, or just higher output single coil. Alternatively, you could get a single-coil sized humbucker and wire it in parallel to get better cleans but still plenty of healthy output.
     

  10. MrGibbly

    MrGibbly Tele-Holic

    853
    Apr 19, 2014
    SATX
    2 of the three pickups, the pick guard, plate/knobs, pots, wiring, cap, jack, etc. have all arrived. I had to drill holes in the guard this evening to mount the TV Jones "ears style" at the neck. I also ordered an electro socket so I'll swap that out while I have everything apart. The Pearly Gates for the bridge is still pending shipment so I'm "on hold" for now. More soon.
     

  11. MrGibbly

    MrGibbly Tele-Holic

    853
    Apr 19, 2014
    SATX
    All the bits and bobs have arrived. The TV Jones pickup is beautifully made. The control plate assembly is wired up and assembled ready to go into the guitar.

    Only problem? The screw holes don’t line up between the Warmouth custom pickguard and my body...
     

  12. MrGibbly

    MrGibbly Tele-Holic

    853
    Apr 19, 2014
    SATX
    I went ahead and loaded in the Pearly Gates, new switching, and control plate but left the original pick guard and N3 at the neck. The Pearly Gates sounds glorious. Very articulate, good note separate clean & with gain, and maintains a lot of the trademark telecaster twang. In fact, I'd say it's more tele sounding than the N3 that I pulled out. While I don't like the N3 at the neck it is relatively well balanced with the Pearly Gates at the bridge.

    I still need a solution to the mounting holes not lining up on the Warmoth pick guard but I may just have to get a blank and route/drill it myself with my Dremel. I can't wait to hear the TV Jones at the neck...

    UPDATE: The problem isn't that the mounting holes don't match, it's actually that the neck pocket route looks like it was cut for a 21-fret neck vs. the 22 on the Am Dlx...
     
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  13. YoGeorge

    YoGeorge Tele-Holic

    996
    Mar 16, 2003
    Michigan
    All traditional Fender neck pocket routes are cut for 21 fret necks with the 22nd fret being on an overhang. I have seen pickups that match the neck pocket route and some that have an extra cutout to match the neck extension. (G&L cuts the neck pocket for 22 frets.)

    There is usually enough room under the neck overhang to put the guard on under the overhang but you have to remove the neck to do it. If you don't have enough room under the overhang, you can either cut out the guard or shim/jack up the neck at the butt end.

    That said, I like the telecaster both-pickup sound so much that I've never been tempted to put 3 pickups into one....

    Good luck,
    George
     

  14. MrGibbly

    MrGibbly Tele-Holic

    853
    Apr 19, 2014
    SATX
    Thanks, George. I was finally able to get it all wired up, assembled, and back together. After living with it for a while, the combination of new sounds just didn't click for me. I pulled everything back out and popped in a set of FCS '51 Nocaster pickups, 275 pots, and .047 cap. It sounds extremely good and I will probably keep it like this.
     

  15. YoGeorge

    YoGeorge Tele-Holic

    996
    Mar 16, 2003
    Michigan
    A basic tele with a Nocaster pair is a wonderful sounding and versatile guitar. I have a tele with Nocasters and it is GREAT. It was my primary church guitar covering everything from funk to hard rock to acousticy-sounding folky stuff. Although I have other teles with other pickup combos also...
     

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