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Discussion in 'Telecaster Discussion Forum' started by Geoff738, Jun 15, 2007.
I guess it is safe to say "Pine is in the ear of the beholder".
amen bro!! you said it ! some pine is pretty hard! and durable! why is it some say pine is so soft it's no good and then they go over pine bridges,climb pine stairs,sit on pine chairs, have parties on pine decks,walk on pine floors and sit and watch footballgames on pine planked bleachers! good pine is durable and it makes a great sounding guitar!
Thanks to the thread resurrection -- I would have never had the opportunity to read this pine thread from 2007.
There are some old unused pine shelves in my garage I just may have to turn into a tele body.
The wood is relatively hard and dark compared to the stuff found at the home improvement stores.
Scroll through the pages here for a peek at the new Limited Edition 2011 FCS Pine Tele: http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=48854&sid=9112bc90d879bc4146a2230cb86e5e99
This is what a guitar noob could say
"But it is made of s¤¤t wood! 100 years old...must be rotten then. Bet it`s tone is muddy and shrill, in same time. That balsa like pine wood, you should not try to make guitar bodies of it!"
..." You say it`s from Fender Custom Shop?Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmust be a very good guitar then...i have nothing to say!
Runs away from further discussion.
knot free? ruh roh... here's the body of the pine tele Rick Kelly is building for me:
the wood is more than 180 years old, taken from a ceiling beam from the recently closed Chumley's Speakeasy. i imagine it's had plenty of cigar smoke and hot air to dry it over the decades.
I just bought a one piece pine Telemaster body from a fellow forumite, and I'm hoping it kicks butt. I'm gonna do a Butterscotch Blonde lacquer finish, not too heavy, not too light. Dings be damned!!!
This strat-tele couple is just simply amazing. Arlo, I am an official fan of you man. Beautiful instruments.
I had Bob Logan of Logan Guitars make me a 52 Hot Rod in pine this spring,came from a 100 yr old church bean. Done up in natural finish with a maple neck, Beautiful looking and sounding instrument. I love it, and a lot lighter than my other two tele's.
Hi, very late to this party. Here is my first tele. Its a 6 piece pine body made from old wine crates. I was trying to emulate the original idea. The neck is flat sawn maple, no truss rod. Gotoh tuners, Wilkenson bridge, pups are mine using great info from Gil Yarron and Rob DiStefano. I went with the traditional 43awg 8000 turns Al3 for the Neck, 7.6k ( lacquer potted ), and decided on a 42awg Al3, 9000 turns, 7.2 for the Bridge ( wax potted ). I made my own PIO .033 cap ( thanks Gil ) and used 250k pots and added a kinman type volume kit ( series .001/150k). I used a very light series of Nitro coatings for the neck and body. I think three layers. The body has a rough quality to the finish. Pick-guard is mine ABS 1/8". Dots are mahogany rod on the fret board and some very dark wood? I fashioned into a dowel for the side dots. Neck is that .990 big bat sort of V/U done with a razor blade and fit to my hand ( took a long time, but it feels great ). Oh... I did put in three small chambers in the guitar and its quite light.
All in all this guitar has a lovely tone, with twang, mids and nice bass. Not having the truss rod is something I can hear in this guitar, its very woody and open, with a different sustain that I do think is due to the lack of truss rod.
This is a great forum and I am going to school here every day . Many thanks.
****ing awesome! Love every aspect of the build. Right up my alley!
I had a pine part o caster for a while, but we did not bond.
I tried a couple of different necks and pickups, but to no avail.
I concluded that it ain't for me, though it looks cool.
My experience is as a wood worker rather than a guitar builder, but pine is a booger to work with. There are a lot of woods easier to work. It splits bad, knots are a problem, the sap makes it hard to finish, the softwood/hardwood nature of the rings makes it hard to get a smooth sanded finish and harder to make it stay that way. I suspect that is why most pine bodies are done in natural. Paint would show all the surface flaws. Bad for chip outs when finishing. It can and has been done, but other woods are easier to work with.
Yes, the pine is soft, but the combination with flat sawn maple neck produces a lovely timbre in the instrument and I am delighted with the ' vintage ' sound of this instrument. While I do not have a 1949 - 1952 to compare with, various experienced players have been smiling ear to ear when they hear and play it. Sorry if I am derailing, just meant to support the original idea of a pine laminate body with a thick no-truss rod neck as being very good sounding.
Pine may have just been a choice made early on for prototypes and early production, without Fender really having thought much about it. It's a wood that everybody knows. To most, it's pretty synonymous with the general terms "wood" and/or "lumber." When I think of "wood" or "lumber," it's pine that comes to mind (or maybe it would be fir if I had grown up on the east coast). If I was just farting around trying to design a solid body guitar to see how it went, I'd likely have used pine for my experiments as well. My thought process might have gone something like: "I need some paint grade lumber. It's an electric guitar, not an acoustic, so what does the wood matter? Just grab some pine."
Once some feedback was received from retailers and players, it became clear that the guitar line would indeed continue. At this point, I think Leo wanted to class 'em up a bit, to make them seem less cheesy. To achieve this, 1/4" of thickness was added to the body, the second pickup was made standard, and there was a switch to a translucent finish. Leo probably thought ash not only looked better, but sounded better - from a marketing perspective, that is. Pine was (and still is) viewed as a run-of-the-mill, relatively low-end lumber by most people. Regardless of whether pine was good or bad material for a guitar, it probably just sounded better to everyone to tout a hardwood body as a feature.
What ever happened to Arlo?
Please discuss the "wood hardener" application technique
Could you discuss the application technique, brand used with regards to the "wood hardener". Please exclude all wisecracks involving say.....viagra.
I've had a lot of Teles and I just got my first pine caster and I LOVE it