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Over used cliches killin country music?

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  1. Tele The Truth

    Tele The Truth Tele-Meister

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    Forewarning: This thread is an irrational rant. :mrgreen:

    Contry music, like any other genre, has always had it's share of cliches in the music. Artists would just be more creative in how they used them. However, I'm really having a hard time with 'whiskey' in country music. Don't get me wrong, there have been a lot of good songs that mention the 'whiskey', but anymore...it seems to just be a buzz word to throw in the song to countrify it because it fits a certain stereotype. I cringe everytime I hear the word comming out of a new artist's mouth these days. Case in point, the Mrs. likes one of Trent Tomlinson's songs, so I got her the CD. Every single song had 'whiskey' or references to whiskey......every single song! The other day, I was listening to the radio and 3 out of the 4 songs I heard had reference to whiskey in it. I dunno why it rubs me the wrong way......I certainly do enjoy a good country drinkin song.....but it just seems so disingenuous in it's use anymore.

    And finally, as a side rant, Jim Beam and Jack Daniels are fine if you're just a sometimes whiskey drinker, but they certainly aren't the be all end all of bourbons that people wanna give em credit for.

    Wheeew! I'm done now.
    I think I'll have a drink when I get home. :mrgreen:
     
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    I'll add two more cliches that I can't stand

    Tropical anything (enough with the beach, steel drum, jimmy buffet stuff)
    and ...

    Johnny Cash.
    Now let me explain. There's a new song called Johnny Cash which is all about two people running off to vegas. It has the line "Crankin' up the Johnny Cash" which is fine, but the song is 100% country rock. There's nothing Cash about it....then at the end of the song the singer yells out "The Man In Black's Gonna Rock Your Ass Again!"

    Since when does Johnny Cash Rock Your Ass?

    To me it feels so insincere. I imagine it's more of a thin attempt at adding country "street cred" to the artist.

    Tele_The_Truth, let's go have that drink!
     
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    i don't think your rant's all that irrational, friend. whiskey is no doubt one of the great white cliches in the country music cliche museum. the thing about cliches is that they are based in truth, get absorbed into "art" and become disassociated with their original, realisitic roots.

    the ultimate challenge people who want to write good songs face is how to present these worn concepts in a way that is new and interesting. I try to do that every day.

    all this IMHO.
     
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    PS

    and when i want something authentic and real, popular country music is one of the last place's i'd ever look.
     
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    Pop country has sucked for years. Its a lot more than the cliche's. Whatever sells is the name of the game.
     
  7. Tele The Truth

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    That's exactly what missing in a lot of these newer songs. It's almost like there's a checklist the songwriters are going by and they mark each thing off as they go along just to make sure they get it in there.
     
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    no joke. i'm amazed by how boring and obvious a lot of that stuff is. i wonder how people get lucky enough to be paid to write that stuff. is there a lottery or something?
     
  9. brillocaster

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    Cliches are great when used properly.

    "Well I was drunk, the day my Mom got outta prison,
    And I went to pick her up in the raiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin

    But before I got to the station in my pickup truck,
    She got runned over by a danged ol' train!"

    I'm going to start cranking out songs on this template here...figger I'll be rich in about 6 months:

    Verse 1: Story about when we were teenagers and man was you hot.

    Sappy I love you chorus

    Verse 2: Story about being newlyweds

    Same sappy chorus that still applies 'cause you're still hot.

    Verse 3: Story about how now we're older and had us some strife but it's all good because we have a daughter

    Same sappy chorus that is now just plain creepy because it's about Daddy's Little Girl

    Verse 4: One of us is now dead or I'm scared one of us will die.

    Same sappy chorus that is now supposed to talk about my relationship with Jesus even though at verse 1 it was about how hot you once was.
     
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    You will go far! Don't forget to put some whiskey and pickup trucks in there. Maybe a Haggard and Jones reference too. :D
     
  11. TheGoodTexan

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    A cliche is a phrase that's over used, by definition.

    I'm not slackin' your line of thought. I'm just saying, using a cliche as a hook in a song is worn out already.
     
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    I've got one. I've heard far too many songs where someone is "gonna grab a 6-string" for whatever reason. I mean come on, are there really no new ideas out there?

    I agree with the whiskey bit too, although, I'll give Paisley a pass because Whiskey Lullaby is a fantastic song
     
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    Isn't all music cliche? It kinda goes like this:

    Country music = whiskey drinkin, house-trailer livin, wife-beater wearin.
    Rock music = weed smokin, strip-joint livin, leather wearin.
    Rap music = crack smokin, ghetto livin, bling wearin.

    and so on, and so on, and so on...
     
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    I'm sick of the way people have tried to turn Johnny Cash, an artist of so much depth and substance, into a one-dimensional "punk" icon. If I have to look at that picture of him flipping off the photographer one more time I'm gonna puke.
     
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    Gotta love that David Allen Coe ;)

    "and I still play (sniff) all the sad songs (sniff) that I know"
     
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    ^ Pen credit on that song goes to Steve Goodman. The rest of the song is fantastic, IMO. It managed the 'you done me wrong' archetype without leaning on the typical crutches, and of course DAC put it on wax. One of my favorites when I have a couple of beers.
     
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    Heck!
    If you live in Nashville you would have to be drunk on Whisky if you can afford it these days, rent ain’t cheep there anymore!
    It is all about looks these days Video appeal and having a fake twang in your voice when you sing, do they talk like that in Australia?
    If you look at the whole music industry it is all the same all flash, looking hot on a video talking trash or crying over a break up then drinking Whisky.
    When Kid Rock started trying to do Country I thought my god, the dirt in the Nashville cemeteries must have shook for a moment, from old timers passed turning in there graves!
    Am I sounding like an old Fart?

    In short it’s all about the money, money and money and like this country has become a disposable culture, we have now disposable artist that write with the same method.

    This is my personal opinion
    Now I am ready for some Crown Royal from Canada Lol!:eek:
     
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    ok then Steve Goodman= Good songwriter
    We need more of those today. How many of the classics would even get on the radio/CMT today?? (Uh-oh.........)
     
  19. Tele The Truth

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    Those examples sound more like stereotypes....and bad ones at that. ;)


    Funny enough though how Kid Rock seems to fit into all of em. :mrgreen:
     
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    It's true.

    Carrie Underwear's song "Before He Cheats" has a line dissing the girl the protaganist's boyfriend is with because she "can't shoot whiskey".

    I doubt Carrie has ever tasted a drop herself.

    (not that I wouldn't want to be around when she tried it the first time, huh?)
     
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