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Orange amp for jazz

Discussion in 'Amp Central Station' started by DOC DYA, Dec 7, 2017.

  1. DOC DYA

    DOC DYA Tele-Meister

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    Oct 4, 2012
    Luçon _ France
    The other night I played my first gig with my new Orange Crush 35 RT amp.

    I play in a jazz band (piano, bass, drums, flute, another guitar player, alto sax and tenor sax). The room is not that large, so the two saxes don't need to be amplified. We play mostly 50's and 60's jazz standards, some bossa tunes, a little funk. It's a gig we play every month in a bar. Usually I take my Blues Jr whose power is more than enough for the place. I had already tried an Orange rockerverb 50 amp during a rehearsal and I had found it well suited for the type of jazz sound I was after (think Benson, more than Metheny) : powerful low mids and highs not too bright but with punch. Though the Crush 35 RT is not a tube amp and is much less powerful, I found a lot of similarities, soundwise, with the Rockerverb. Plus, you can turn the volume control (on the clean channel) to the max and still keep your sound clean. I played this gig with a Washburn J6 archtop and a G&L S500 Tribute and the two guitars sounded wonderful and the sound caracteristics (low and high mids specially) of the amp made me able to cut through the mix without pushing the volume. The 10'' « Voice of the world » speaker does a fine (punchy) job. Volume control on the amp at 12 o'clock (with a Morley Volume + in the pedal chain, volume control on both guitars at 8).

    At home, I have also tried this amp with a Telecaster, a Les Paul Studio, all these guitars kept their tonal caracteristics and sounded amazing, specially the Les Paul.

    Though I don't use the crunch channel that much, it is really nice as well. It takes me back to the 70's !

    And at 25 lbs, my old back is very happy !...
     
  2. radiocaster

    radiocaster Friend of Leo's

    Aug 18, 2015
    europe
    Cool, I think the Micro Terror would sound good for that too.

    Do you use the reverb in your Crush?
     
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  3. DOC DYA

    DOC DYA Tele-Meister

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    Oct 4, 2012
    Luçon _ France
    I only use the built-in reverb of the amp when I work at home (guitar + jack + amp). That reverb, though digital, is about as good as the one in my Blues Jr (spring tank). I never go past 11 o'clock, especially with humbuckers. On stage, I use a Hardwire RV7 that's on my pedalboard.
     
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  4. Jakedog

    Jakedog Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Mar 26, 2003
    The North Coast
    Your 35RT stays clean all the way up? Even with humbuckers?

    One of the things I liked about mine was that it started breaking up around 1 o'clock, and by the time it was flat out, it was loud as hell, and nicely crunchy.
     
  5. Clarkj734

    Clarkj734 Tele-Meister

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    Nov 24, 2015
    Bloomfield Hills, MI
    I used to use the clean channel of the cr60 when I owned it.

    With a fully hollow guitar ( es-175 ) there was always just a hint of break up if I dug in, but for the most part it could stay clean. I used that amp for Kenny Burrell type Jazz Blues playing, and it sounded great to me and I really liked the tone I was getting. The Orange clean is very warm with a good amount of mids, which I really liked for that type of playing / sound.

    The trick was tokeep the Master volume somewhat high and the channel volume below 12 O'clock, which kept the Clean channel in the first gain stage. This kept things clean, but dynamic. If I pushed the channel volume above 12 o'clock into the second gain stage, then it would start getting more dirty with the 175's humbuckers.


    On the cr60 the clean channel has 2 gain stages, and the dirty channel has 4.
     
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  6. guitarmikey

    guitarmikey Tele-Holic

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    Dec 30, 2012
    Bucharest
    I use the MT with a mellower tube: 12AU7 but a 15" speaker. Very appropriate for jazz sessions!
     

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  7. DOC DYA

    DOC DYA Tele-Meister

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    Oct 4, 2012
    Luçon _ France
    First I never have the volume on the guitar at 10, but always at 8, to keep a little room, so it changes the reaction of the amp and I don't play that "hard" most of the time.
    Second, it depends of the guitar I use. My Telecaster, for instance, is a MIJ Custom whose PUs are not very powerful. It stays clean all the way. It's not the case with the Les Paul. It starts to crunch around 2 o' clock.
    The J6 is another case (it's not called the "Wes Montgomery model" for nothing). The humbuckers are powerful enough, but it would be difficult to push the volume on the guitar and the amp to the max with a full 17'' hollow body (3"3/4 depth). Mister Larsen would be all over the place!
    But the amp is very loud, considering its size and, until now, I haven't had a "chance (?)" to push it so hard on stage.
     
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  8. LGOberean

    LGOberean Poster Extraordinaire

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    May 31, 2008
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    I've seen a guy in a jazz duo with a small Orange Crush amp. The venue was small, and it was just two instruments and vocals (jazz standards, mostly). But the little amp--I'm not even sure it was a 35RT, may have been the 20--did a good job. Crushes aren't just for crunch.
     
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  9. radiocaster

    radiocaster Friend of Leo's

    Aug 18, 2015
    europe
    I tried a 12AU7, easy to dial in lower level sounds but overall the amp won't be very loud.
     
  10. Guitandanza

    Guitandanza Tele-Meister

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    May 31, 2015
    Connecticut
    It’s a great amp. Two years plus and I never grow tired of it. I only use the clean channel and a bad horse boost, which is a KlonWampler TumnusKlon kinda deal. Sweet. I never turn it up last 1 o clock and I keep the bad horse at low gain and volume a tad boosted from unity. Amazing value. Makes me wanna try the cr 120 combo, but my Fender Prosonic is a better amp.
     
  11. Paul G.

    Paul G. Friend of Leo's

    Mar 17, 2003
    Rhode Island
    I love this little amp. Appropriate for moderate volume gigs, excellent cleans at gig volumes, nice crunch if you want it. Rich full tone, cuts nicely.

    Not my only amp, but gets lots of use.

    P
     
  12. Suavocaster

    Suavocaster TDPRI Member

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    Jan 31, 2018
    Denmark
    Interesting read.
    I once, many years ago, played a Hiwatt Custom 50. Those, warm, sparkling cleans are still ringing in my head.
    I've been chasing that sound ever since, but haven't really found it. Buying a Hiwatt Custom isn't an option -- the combo weighs 35 kg, which must be something like 80 lbs!!!
    And then there's the anxiety of tube maintenance ...
    So I'm looking for an SS amp that could bring me closer to those British cleans. And I wonder if maybe the Orange Crush (60 or 120) might be the thing.
    Would anybody of you know anything about that? Orange cleans vs Hiwatt cleans?
    By the way, I play mostly more or less clean jazzy and bluesy style, and some 60ies style rock. On div. telecasters with different PUs or on a Gibson CS 336
     
  13. FenderGuy53

    FenderGuy53 Poster Extraordinaire

    May 14, 2008
    Marion, NC
    Preach it, brother! A 25-pound tone monster? How great is THAT?
     
  14. Jakedog

    Jakedog Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Mar 26, 2003
    The North Coast
    It's good to discover that nothing is set in stone. Marketing rules too much of the gear industry these days.

    Orange are "rock" amps. DiMarzio are "metal" pickups. Telecasters are "country" guitars. And the lists go on and on. These ideas are exacerbated by the stone cold fact that more players buy with their eyes than their ears.

    The truth is-

    A guitar, an amp, a pickup... they don't know what kind of music they're playing. And they don't care.

    I'm glad to hear an Orange makes a good jazz amp, but not at all surprised.

    I play a lot of country on an ESP with humbuckers. It sounds killer.

    I play all my gigs with a solid state amp and a multi effect unit.

    I like to play honky-tonk on a Les Paul Jr. I like to use my telecaster in a Dead band. I like showing up to pretty much any gig with my old purple Charvel. Because it sounds and plays great and it's fun to watch gear snobs react to it.

    But the bottom line is- none of this gear knows what it's "supposed" to be for. Nor does it care. I've gotten the best results, and been the happiest I've ever been with my sound, since I've matured enough to realize this.

    Does a 335 sound great for Chicago blues? Of course!! It also sounds great playing 80's new wave stuff, and a Jackson Soloist makes a killer blues axe.

    Embrace it all, I say. You might find yourself happier than you ever thought possible.
     
  15. fatcat

    fatcat Friend of Leo's

    Jul 6, 2010
    Very Deep South
    I can get really good jazzy clean tones out of my tiny terror.

    All about balance,

    and cranking the master to open up the power section. It does a good clean tone for me.
     
  16. Bluey

    Bluey TDPRI Member

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    I put a nos 5751 to lower the gain a bit in the MT.. Just takes the edge off nicely for blues/rock. Amazing little amps.
     
  17. jrblue

    jrblue Tele-Holic

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    Nov 14, 2010
    Santa Barbara
    Guitarmikey's suggestion of a 12AU7 tube swap is excellent. I've used several Oranges, and the lower-power preamp tubes help a lot. Regardless of what is said above, Oranges are not voiced like conventional jazz amps. Of course you can play jazz on them... depending on what you mean by jazz, and what tone you want. If you're looking for warmish, round, clean but not bright jazz tone, Oranges do not have the voice for you, though of course you can force the issue. But let's face it, the ten trillion reviews of these amps that invariably talk about the in-your-face Orange voice are not just fantasy. I loved my AD30R, particularly with changed preamp tubes, but at the end of the day, it wasn't versatile enough for me, and its clean tone was always too fast and hard sounding for me. I'm sure I could have made it work, but I want amps that easily yield the sound I want -- not ones where I have to work against them to get what I need.
     
  18. radiocaster

    radiocaster Friend of Leo's

    Aug 18, 2015
    europe
    The 12AU7 makes it not very loud, probably not much use for a concert unless the drummer is playing bongos.

    The Micro Terror has a good jazz sound, it really does sound like a hybrid and solid-state amps are common in jazz. Just dial the gain back and get a cab that sounds good with it. The tone control is very effective, just a notch back or forward from 5 will change the sound a lot.
     
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  19. jrblue

    jrblue Tele-Holic

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    Nov 14, 2010
    Santa Barbara
    Wrong about the 12AU7. It reduces power at the beginning of your signal chain. Lots happens after. SRV used 5751s and his amps would tear your head off.
     
  20. Les Paul lover

    Les Paul lover Tele-Meister

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    Aug 20, 2017
    England
    The power and overall loudness if the amount determined by the preamp, but by the power amp section.

    By reducing the gain available in the preamp section, all you do (Beside some tonal characteristics changes) is reduce the amount of dirt the preamp itself is able to produce. In a 15w amp, it'll still be 15w - but with less gain available.



    I play Jazz (poorly) on my RV50, AD15 and R30 clean channel.
    It sounds lovely.
     
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