Notre Dame Burning...

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  1. trev333

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    Wow, just waking up to this news on tv.... not good...:(

    I was up on the tower roof looking around in '77....

    found a few old pics..

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    A blow to Western Civilization.
     
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    Not an expert but this picture is reassuring. The peaked roof covers an interior stone vault--looking up from inside, you see a vaulted stone ceiling, not timber and lead sheeting. It the image above it looks like the burning roof has fallen onto the stone vault, but the vault looks to be intact.

    The building is designed so the vaulted ceiling balances the inward pressure exerted by the flying buttresses, which in turn hold the thin walls up
     
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    But the building itself is art.
     
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    I'm only halfway reading through the thread updates so someone may have already stated this, but you must understand - the entire structure and its contents are, or were, a work of art. It was an inspiration no matter where you looked.
     
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    And, for those who aren’t aware of its importance to France, it is considered the geographical Center of the nation. Although it physically isn’t. People refer to distances from there.

    It appears that the fire may have started from work being done to the spire which was largely made of lead. The picture above shows the roof basically gone. I hope the rose windows survive, particularly the north, still original one but I’m not optimistic given that picture. I’m hoping the outer structure survives. 800 years of weather, a revolution or two, wars. And to be largely destroyed a botched renovation it looks like. I don’t know what to say. Hope the firefighters can get it under control and save the outer structure without further injuries.

    Paris, je t’aime.


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    Yuki was born in France, not letting him watch the news tonight.

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    Sad and scary
     
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    I couldn't have said it better than that. I feel the same way.
    Me too.
     
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    As a kid I loved visiting the Cathedral of St John the Divine in NYC.
    Not religious, just fascinated and awed by beauty and grandeur.
    Construction had started in 1892 and was still underway, but the main area was open and operating.
    I wandered through and found where construction was being done.
    Stone workers from around the world gathered to do the traditional stone work, much as was done 800 years ago.

    Buildings like this have a spirit or a soul that goes beyond the Nation, the Church or the stones.

    I spent many years of my working career restoring antique buildings.
    It was a labor of love, but required a steward with money to perform, as opposed to tearing down and building modern.

    While huge loss has taken place, the soul remains and the restoration work will perhaps cement a society, including the lowly stone breaker who labors in anonymity.

    If modern society is at a point where we need some sort of restoration in spirit to greater cooperation, love, compassion, generosity, kindness, acceptance, tolerance and charity; perhaps this loss that arguably affects all humanity, can be a symbol of the possibility of upholding what is good, and not being brought down by what is bad.
     
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    I was chatting with some friends about this and one of them said "They shouldn't rebuild it, it just wouldn't be the Notre dame anymore!"

    My reply "Heh, you don't really know anything about how defiant the French are, mark my words as soon as the fire is put out, they will pull up their sleeves, say "Allez." (Pronounced "Uh-lay" which is French for "Come on then", "Let's get at it") and start rebuilding the whole thing."

    And sure enough, as soon as he got word on the structure of the Notre Dame being salvageable President Macron announced that it would be rebuild.

    "Allez!"
     
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    I believe there is a scientific or possibly philosophical concept or question where one asks if something like an old ship that has been rebuilt, bit by bit, so many times that none of the original wood remains:

    Is it still the same ship?
    Or is it a different ship?

    Science tells us that we replace almost all the cells in our bodies every seven years.
    Are we the same person?
    Or a different person?
     
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    That was also what the guy said to me.

    I told him "Do you really think the people of Paris care about your personal philosophy, Paris isn't Paris without the Notre dame, of course they're going to restore it!"

    Besides, if you buy a Tele at your favorite store and replace everything just so it fits your personal needs, in the end it's still going to be that Tele that you've bought at your favorite store.
     
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    I wrote a paper on this in college where I applied a notion of identity from Mahayana Buddhism. Essentially, in this tradition the identity of a thing across time has less to do with its physicality/history than with its purpose, or the role it plays or what it represents to the relevant people.

    The building represents peoples' hope, dreams, aspirations, faith, etc., as well as a culture. And the good thing is that all those things are still there.

    It's tragic that what's lost has been lost, but I'm confident that even if Notre Dame burned down completely, there would always be a Notre Dame so long as the French people decided there would be one.
     
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    Even more so if the replaced portions are rotted or burned away.
    The stone is what stands for centuries, but again, even stones can be replaced or returned without losing the soul and integrity of the original form.
     
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    I would say it is still a magical place. It is a loss for the world. Very sad. I have never been to France but can still feel this loss.
     
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    Well said.
     
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    The cathedral is one of the icons of Western civilization. It must be rebuilt. Knowing the French, it will be rebuilt!
     
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