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Night terrors.

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Jakedog, Oct 12, 2017 at 12:36 PM.

  1. Toto'sDad

    Toto'sDad Telefied Ad Free Member

    Jun 21, 2011
    Bakersfield
    People who specialize in analyzing dreams, don't know shilt about what they're talking about. As you stated you returned to the dream every time after waking, experts say you can't do that, or at least that's what one expert told me. I've had recurring bad dreams since I was a kid, if I start on a subject early, it's with me all night. I wake up, go back to sleep, go right back to the dream right where I left off. I wake up, repeat all night. One thing that's pretty neat of late, I've been retired long enough sometimes when I'm having a bad equipment hauling dream, I think to myself in the dream, this isn't happening because I'm retired and too old to be here, then I settle right down.

    I used to dream about being knifed to death in a Dallas bus station, I dreamed the same dream so many times, I can't count them. I knew I was dying, I could feel the life running out of me. Then I'd wake up in a cold sweat. Snakes!?! I've had snakes in the house, the car, I missed the ones on the plane. I've been rolling down hill in a diesel, lost the breaks and plunged into a mile deep gorge that opens right before my eyes, I say a mile, I can't see the bottom it's so deep! Been shot, knifed, wrecked motorcycles (did that in real life too) fallen from heights, plane crashes, drowned at sea, and blown up, I know I haven't covered all of it, but that's just a few.

    Being ridden by the witch, sleep paralysis is the absolute worst. I had my first session of that when I was about eighteen years old, and had one last fall. Lots of them in between. You simply cannot breath. It's not sleep apnea it's something entirely different. Sometimes I dream I'm in outer space to explain whey I can't dream, sometimes I'm a diver and run out of air, I've been on mars in my dreams, I can tell you exactly what the atmosphere is like there. When you have one of those episodes you won't go back to sleep that night.
     
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  2. ndcaster

    ndcaster Friend of Leo's

    Nov 14, 2013
    Indiana
    my wife is plagued by bad dreams, it's terrible and rooted in her childhood

    I used to have bad dreams a lot, but they've gone away

    check this out: http://slumberwise.com/science/your-ancestors-didnt-sleep-like-you/

    it's about first and second sleep, how our ancestors slept differently, and how artificial lighting has changed how we sleep significantly

    interesting stuff
     
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  3. RL52

    RL52 TDPRI Member

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  4. ce24

    ce24 Friend of Leo's

    Jan 26, 2008
    Idahoastan
    I used to have Chase dreams that scared the hell out of me.....I read some Carl Jung soon dreams and started to write them down and got to the point that I would consciously know I'm dreaming and watch it..... Then during one chase dream I turned around faced the demon ( bear)..... And attacked it..... Never had another one..... Not saying it would work but just my experience.....I would also draw or paint my dream images...I was an art student at Arizona State.
    Good luck...
     
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  5. Despres

    Despres Tele-Holic

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    I don't envy you this, Jakedog, and certainly have no advice to offer. An old neighbor of ours' kid had night terrors; I never really knew it was a thing until then, and assumed it was just recurring bad dreams. After living by them and seeing them struggle to help their daughter, with almost no sleep ever, I feel truly sorry for anyone who deals with that.

    I've had sinus problems and sleep apnea type issues over the years - sometimes my snoring gets bad enough to wake me up, sometimes my wife punches me in my sleep, and sometimes if I don't wake up I can wake up people in other rooms, neighboring tents, etc. But all of that is just sort of funny compared to night terrors.
     
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  6. Obsessed

    Obsessed Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Nov 21, 2012
    Montana
    Bummer Jakedog. Must be tougher away from home, wife and family too. Unfortunately I've got nothin' for you, but I've always been a proponent of talking about issues that bother you and this forum seems like a safe place to air them out. Good luck and sweet dreams tonight.
     
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  8. dr_tom

    dr_tom Tele-Meister

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    Sep 21, 2013
    Ontario
    I'm not an expert, but iirc, 'night terrors' are a different beast from regular nightmares. Nightmares occur in REM sleep like any regular dream whereas night terrors occur during Stage 4 sleep, our deepest stage of sleep (also known as slow wave sleep). For most people, Stage 4 sleep only occurs during the first two sleep cycles of the night (i.e., a cycle is apx 90 minutes, so in the first 3 to 4 hours). Are your happening all night long or do they fit that pattern?

    A night in a sleep lab should be able to answer this question. I think it may have implications for how a sleep specialist would treat it.

    My father used to sleep walk. It follows the same pattern, occurring in stage 4. He'd be solidly asleep and you could just point him back to bed and he'd walk back without waking. My daughter had night terrors around age 4 - it's actually a very common thing in childhood; less so for adults.

    If you can, I'd try to see a sleep specialist if you haven't already.
     
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  9. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Poster Extraordinaire

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    Mar 2, 2010
    Maine
    No ears required for dreaming.
     
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  10. nojazzhere

    nojazzhere Tele-Holic

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    Interesting thread. I've had what I thought were "bad" dreams most of my life, but NOTHING like what some of you experience....you really have my sympathies. I often have broken sleep (since I've gotten older) but usually simply needing to use the bathroom, and then I quickly go back to sleep. The only exceptions are if I'm having personal, family issues that gnaw at me, making it difficult to fall back asleep. Thanks to you guys for reminding me that not only is the grass rarely greener on the other side of the fence, but there are often bears and monsters and wildfires and who knows what over there.....and I'm safer here where I am.
     
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  11. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Poster Extraordinaire

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    IDK if it would help, but it might be worth catching a small event with an actual master behind the books.
    Preferably not a Westerner who got a PHD reading about the subject of enlightenment.
    I've been to some and it is somewhat more powerful to hear translated Tibetan in real time as opposed to reading about it in a book.
    At some you can ask questions, but again, they may not actually be able to help you.
    At one I was sitting there thinking a question, and the Tibetan Lama (some sort of high master) answered it out loud.
     
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  12. Frank'n'censed

    Frank'n'censed Poster Extraordinaire

    Mar 27, 2011
    Parts Unknown
    You missed my allusion...ears to you
     
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  13. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Poster Extraordinaire

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    Ha ha ha ha I had forgotten a dream I had where I was being chased around by a gigantic black yak, in some sort of brick walled gated community or compound.
    There were also huge piles of steaming yak dung there in the semi darkness.
    I knocked on doors but nobody answered.
    I ran behind the dung piles but the yak always found me, even tried to bury myself in a dung pile to no avail.
    Finally somebody answered the door and I charged in stammering madly of giant yaks and dung piles.
    As I slowly calmed down it occurred to me that the yak might be in my head.
    Turned around and of course there was no actual yak.

    Reminded by your turning to face your/ the demon/ bear, and finding none there.

    That which we run from is always more powerful than that which we face.
     
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  14. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Poster Extraordinaire

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    Alluding to the idea that when the van goes @Jakedog can sleep?
     
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  15. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Poster Extraordinaire

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  16. robt57

    robt57 Telefied Ad Free Member

    Feb 29, 2004
    Portland, OR
    Had my share periodically. Wife usually reaches over and taps me.

    Once she reached over and just happened to touch my throat. That had a bad effect comming back to being awake. She is way careful since then. Poor gal, once I came out swinging, glad she was not close.

    Luckily i seem to have them resolved since a situational realizations of my youth. Not had any for a while now.

    50 years of a few certain recurring dream themes stopped at points where my theory of the root may have finally been correct. This after 10s of dozens of guesses over my years.
     
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  17. Frank'n'censed

    Frank'n'censed Poster Extraordinaire

    Mar 27, 2011
    Parts Unknown
    No...Van Gogh cut off his own ear
     

  18. telemnemonics

    telemnemonics Poster Extraordinaire

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    Sorry, I was trying to see beyond the ear into what was getting Frank so incensed...
     
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  19. mnutz

    mnutz Tele-Holic

    I feel your pain. I've had what sounds like the exact same thing all my life. As long as I can remember anyway.

    I don't usually remember the dreams, and I don't normally wake up. Sometimes it's so violent my wife has to wake me up though, which is not easy.

    Before I was married and had a family I would self medicate, but I stopped that years ago. Now I just deal with being constantly tired. Sometimes I'll go weeks, but never more than a couple months, without a full on screaming, thrashing attack.

    I'm healthy otherwise and my family doctor has no interest in pursuing it other than giving me sleeping pills. I know I need to see a specialist and my wife and I were just talking about that yesterday. Strange timing on seeing this thread.
     
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  20. Chud

    Chud Poster Extraordinaire

    Dec 30, 2010
    New York City
    I would second the idea to check out a sleep lab if you haven't already. NREM3 sleep (Stage 4) itself, and the associated parasomnias typically decline as we age, but a fair subset of adults still experience NREM3 in the first hour or so of sleep throughout their lives. There are a number of potential comorbidities that can lead to problems with sleep arousal and prolonged or abnormal periodic NREM3 sleep, some that have already been mentioned here, but a few that have not. Sleep apnea is the most common contributor, but restless leg syndrome (RLS) and periodic limb movement (PLM) can also precipitate irregular entry into NREM3 and parasomnia. Other factors such as taking benzodiazepine receptor agonists (sedatives/hypnotics), shift work, and other environmental sleep disruptions interfere with the body's normal arousal mechanisms in the reticular formation and pons leading to irregular sleep patterns.

    The systematic identification of typical sleep patterns over a series of nights in a lab can help identify any sleep related comorbidities that may be able to be eliminated (or at least reduced). There is some newer research that suggests that NREM parasomnia may be part of a disorder of transition between REM/NREM leading to an overlap between the two states.

    Sorry for the pedagogic rant there, but I'm prepping my lesson for next week's class on sleep and sleep disorders and it was all top of mind already. Lol.

    Definitely sorry to hear you're experiencing this, Greg. I'm sure none of this information is new to you. Hopefully you'll make it through the tour without many more of these, and when you get a chance definitely see a specialist and hit the sleep lab if you can.
     
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