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Neil Young's Whizzer

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  1. tele-martini

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    Just read a 2 page sidebar in "the Soul Of Tone" by Tom Wheeler on this fascinating device. A box that sits on top of Neil's Tweed Deluxe equipped with servo motors to adjust the 3 knobs automaticlly. It has 4 presets that he can change settings with via a footswitch at his mic stand. Neil had Sal Trentino design this for the 78-79" Rust Never Sleeps Tour". The objective was to change settings/tones w/o interupting the signal path with stomp boxes or other devices.Struck me as a really cool and interesting innovation.:cool:
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    They used to drill holes in the stage to set it up....
     
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    I think that was actually for the custom spring reverb setup, to keep it from rattling or feeding back due to volume or people jumping around. As I recall, the spring is mounted inside a mic stand, the stand sits of the floor of the arena, so there's no coupling with the stage.
     
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    I've been enjoying my copy of that book.
     
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    I guess it was very interesting to me because I work with robotics and automation for a living. I'm sure we could build one where I work if I could just talk the engineers and programers into putting their efforts into it instead of the machinery their actually responsible for.Damn those guys worring about what the owner/president of the company thinks.:twisted:
     
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    I know that Neil is a big shareholder in Lionel Trains (he's a big model train buff) and I *think* I read that those guys helped him build the original rig -- I could be wrong, I don't want to spread misinformation.
     
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    There have been two versions of the Whizzer. The first one was from the Rust Never Sleeps era, and the second one is from '91. The original only had two settings, the second one has four.

    Mike Soldano did a preamp back in the 90's that had the motors built in, and said he spent more than half his time figuring out how to keep motor noise out of the audio signal path. Later on, Yamaha had the top end of their DG modeling amps with motorised knobs.

    One of the main obstacles to making one of these things is that has to fit a specific amp model because of the knob spacing, and for optimum results you bolt the thing to the amp so the settings are accurate and the alignment of the knob shafts and the motor coupling is dead on.
     
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    I've read this many times in many places. A technician or engineer at Lionel developed a number of Neils ideas. Now I want to google this and learn the connection.
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lionel_Trains

    The Wellspring era

    Lionel changed hands again in 1995, when Kughn sold controlling interest in the company to an investment group that included rock star Neil Young and the holding company Wellspring Associates, which was headed by former Paramount Communications chairman Martin Davis. The new company became known as Lionel LLC. The company continued marketing reproductions of its vintage equipment, and the trend towards producing new equipment that was ever-more-detailed (with a correspondingly higher price) continued.

    Additionally, Young, who has a 20% stake in the company[1], helped finance the development of Trainmaster Command Control, a technology similar to Digital Command Control which permits, among other things, the operation of Lionel trains by remote control. In order to proliferate this standard, Lionel has licensed it to several of its competitors, including K-Line. Another element of Young's vision was the creation of "Railsounds II" a sound system that would faithfully reproduce the sound of a particular locomotive, with electronics and loudspeaker built into each model.


    In "Shakey", the Neil Young biography, it describes his train room which is a converted bar. As I recall, it's at the foot of a hill, and he had a fake tunnel opening made and some full-size rails laid so that it would appear that the real train he owns was coming out of the tunnel.
     
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    that ranch is like my willy wonka factory tour.....oooohhh if only i had the privilege of a golden ticket.
     
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    "The objective was to change settings/tones w/o interupting the signal path with stomp boxes or other devices.Struck me as a really cool and interesting innovation."

    that and what I read in a Gerald Weber book about the interactivity between the tone controls of the 5E3 allows you to control the amount of break up to an even greater degree
     
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    Hello: I'm Rick Davis, the guy who designed and built the 2 Whizzers for Neil, one is in copper and the other in brass. I built a webpage with some photos etc. at: http://www.rdlx.com/neil_young.htm
    The copper was the first and is electronically all discrete digital as I was afraid a digital clock would leak into Neils amp, as it picks up everything. The second [backup] Whizzer is brass and is run by Motorola microprocessor which, it turns out, was not a problem.

    Feel free to ask me questions. Tnx, RD
     
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    [​IMG] Very cool! Welcome to TDPRI. Rick you ever think about making a commercially available version of something like the Whizzer for the rest of us 5E3 fans?
     
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    Welcome and thank you for posting up! Very cool stuff indeed! Great motive for a thread resurrection!
     
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    Awesome! Welcome Rick. I've always wondered about the Whizzer.
     
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    Another very cool, and welcome aboard. Thanks for chiming in.
     
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    Welcome to the forum, Rick. I love Neil's imagination and how he manifests it. Now we have Pono.
     
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    Hi Rick, glad you're on the forum. PM sent.
     
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    Hey Rick, I always thought it was done by the hooded elves with the piercing blue eyes. :eek:
     
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