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Nashville Tele Wiring

Discussion in 'Tele-Technical' started by chrisdk, Mar 3, 2008.

  1. chrisdk

    chrisdk TDPRI Member

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    Hello everyone!

    Is there an "easy" way to wire the Nashville Tele, so that I keep the original five positions, while also adding the bridge+neck pickups in series and in parallel??

    By the way I don't REALLY need the middle position alone if that makes it easier.

    Thanks...

    - Christoffer
     
  2. newey

    newey TDPRI Member

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    Chris-
    Well, "easy" is a loaded term here. For starters, I don't know what kind of a switch you have on that from the factory, but you'll need more than the std 5-way "strat-style" switch to do series/parallel combos. You need a switch like the Fender "superswitch" for that.

    Or, you can use a push/pull pot to do this as well.
     
  3. chrisdk

    chrisdk TDPRI Member

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    Well yes it is a standard 5-way Fender Switch, with the standard wiring.

    Does anyone have a suitable wiring diagram, perhaps for the suggested Superswitch or P/P Pot?
     
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  5. robt57

    robt57 Doctor of Teleocity

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    Buy the Super Start switch from Deaf Eddie's site and I'll bet ya a bucket of old strings he will have the wiring scheme you want, or will figure it out in his head in 10 seconds. ;)
     
  6. Deaf Eddie

    Deaf Eddie Friend of Leo's

    Mar 17, 2003
    Sunny San Diego, CA
    AFAIK, IF you want to KEEP the stock five combos, you will have to add TWO push/pulls or toggles.

    One switch can easily be wired to give you the bridge (or neck) pup ON all the time, so you can play the bridge+neck or all-three-pups combos.

    A second switch can be wired to give you the bridge and neck in series, but it DOES get a little messy.

    A Superswitch can be wired to get the two "new" combos you want, but it wouldn't ADD them to the stock five - you'd still only get FIVE combos - you'd have to pick your favorite five. I can draw that up for you, once you pick 'em.

    SO, there's no "easy" way to do it - you just have to grit yer teeth and do it!

    BTW, I don't sell the Superswitch on my site, only my rotary mods for Strats (the Chromacaster and FAT-O-Casters). But, thanks for the plug!
     
  7. robt57

    robt57 Doctor of Teleocity

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    I didn't even know you were here. ;) I got my 4 way in my Tele a while back, courtesy of ya'll. [at least I thought I had.]

    I should show you the SyKoStrat I did on my Shecter VS Strat one day.
    It is my R&D platform git. ;) 6 position Rotary on one HB that does coil splits and phase reversals, a Mini switch on the other HB for a split, and the center SC I left alone ala stock Strat [in switch position and lineage] Although I string wrapped the coil, put copper tape over the string/coil and grounded it. ;)

    I had a dream one night afer spending a few hours looking at your schems on the site, and woke up with the soldering iron in my hand over the VS on the bench. [I think I hd swallowed my pillow too] :twisted:
     
  8. chrisdk

    chrisdk TDPRI Member

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    Okay thank you...

    Sounds a bit difficult to me :)

    What if I give up on the middle pickup alone setting - would that make it a smaller operation? I would like to keep it down to resoldering the switch and adding 1 P/P Pot as maximum if possible...
     
  9. Deaf Eddie

    Deaf Eddie Friend of Leo's

    Mar 17, 2003
    Sunny San Diego, CA
    Because of the switch that Fender uses, you can NOT just "give up" one combo - rewiring the switch affects the adjacent tones as well (except on the B-Bender models, which use the single-wafer Superswitch).

    If you want to try something SIMPLE that will get you part-way there, just swap the mid and neck pup leads on the 5-way. That will give you these tones:

    1 - bridge
    2 - bridge+neck
    3 - neck
    4 - neck+mid
    5 - mid

    ... AND, let us know how you like that.
     
  10. chrisdk

    chrisdk TDPRI Member

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    Hi Deaf-Eddie!

    You are right, that would get me part-way there. But one of my favorite tones is the bridge+mid for the Strat-like tone.
    I guess another option would be to wire it with bridge+neck (in parallel) instead of the mid?

    Then I would of cause be missing the middle alone position, and bridge+neck in series which I do like for a fatter tone...

    Could another option be to install a 4-way switch, and wire the middle pickup to a P/P Pot, which could be activated in the bridge only and neck only position, for those in between sounds??

    Sorry if I am being difficult :)
     
  11. Deaf Eddie

    Deaf Eddie Friend of Leo's

    Mar 17, 2003
    Sunny San Diego, CA
    Here you go...

    That can NOT be done with the stock Strat-style 5-way, or we would have suggested it.

    Almost... That has been discussed here before. You'd just use the p/p to add the mid pup to whatever the 4-way had selected. That scheme gives you all the stock Nashville tones but one (you lose the mid-pup-only), the two new tones you've asked for, PLUS two more combos (all three parallel, mid parallel to the neck-series-bridge.

    [​IMG]

    With the p/p down, the 4-way gives you the normal (two-pup) 4-way combos; pull the p/p and it adds the middle pup to whatever you've got on the 4-way.

    Don't forget to un-ground/re-ground the neck pup's cover...
     
  12. rlivin

    rlivin TDPRI Member

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    I used a push pull without the superswitch and it works great. Pull up to get the neck/bridge combo.
     
  13. blacklinefish

    blacklinefish Tele-Afflicted

    Jun 19, 2006
    Northwest Missouri
    I have a toggle switch, but only for a series/parallel option. (It almost doubles the volume, like a humbucker, by grounding the bridge pickup through the neck pickup.) I used one-half of the Fender superswitch.

    Here is a wiring diagram: PDF

    Cut switch in half:
    [​IMG]

    --gh
     
  14. newey

    newey TDPRI Member

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    Chris-

    I think you mean Bridge+mid, since you already have bridge+neck in position 2 on the switch?:confused:

    As a matter of convention, BTW, parallel combos should use the "+" sign, series should use the "*", since electrically that's what's happening. Thus "Neck+mid" implies a parallel connection; "neck*mid" means series.
     
  15. chrisdk

    chrisdk TDPRI Member

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    No. Right now I have:

    1 - bridge
    2 - bridge+mid
    3 - mid
    4 - mid+neck
    5 - neck

    Thanks for all the other suggestions by the way.
     
  16. chrisdk

    chrisdk TDPRI Member

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    I'm not sure I fully understand you. What switch do you have, and which combinations do you get?
     
  17. Deaf Eddie

    Deaf Eddie Friend of Leo's

    Mar 17, 2003
    Sunny San Diego, CA
    LIKE THIS...

    He's saying (I @SSume) that he's using the stock "Strat-style" 5-way like you (Chris) have, and has added a single push/pull to get the bridge+neck combo that you wanted. That is an easy one to do, but it gives you NO SERIES combos, the combos are all parallel.

    You simply wire the p/p with its common lug jumpered neck (or bridge) pickup's lug on the 5-way (along with the pickup's hot) , and its "pulled" lug jumpered to the volume pot.

    [​IMG]

    You would PULL the p/p to have the neck (or bridge) pickup ON all the time, regardless of where the 5-way is.

    P/P down, you have the normal five combos; p/p PULLED gives you the neck+bridge combo, as well as all-three-pups. Again, the combos are all parallel - NO SERIES. To get a series combo would require an additional switch.

    Whether you select to have the bridge or neck pup on all the time will determine at which end of the 5-way the neck+bridge combo will appear, at the bridge-end or the neck-end. A jumper to the neck pickup to put it at the bridge-end of the 5-way (as shown in the drawing); or, a jumper to the bridge pickup will put it at the neck-end of the 5-way. You pick.
     
  18. rlivin

    rlivin TDPRI Member

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    Yep, Thats what i did. Thanks Deaf Eddie for explaining it.
     
  19. chrisdk

    chrisdk TDPRI Member

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    Thanks guys!

    So I could wire it like this (like a B-bender) if I replaced the Fender Switch with a SuperSwitch?

    So I would have:

    bridge, bridge+mid, brige+neck, mid+neck, neck.

    That would be the 3 classic tele tones, with my 2 favorite Strat in-between tones...
     
  20. Deaf Eddie

    Deaf Eddie Friend of Leo's

    Mar 17, 2003
    Sunny San Diego, CA
    Yup, with a Superswitch (Fender uses the "half superswitch" in the B-Bender model) you get individual lugs for each throw, not the "shared lugs" in throws #2 and #4 of a Strat-style 5-way.

    You could "mix and match," and put your favorite five combos on it - and, in any order.
     
  21. chrisdk

    chrisdk TDPRI Member

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    That sounds great. Do you have a wiring diagram for the positions I mentioned above with such a superswitch - or know where I can find it?

    Also, will a Tele Barrel Style Switch fit, or will I have to live with a strat tip?
     
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