My J-45 pains me

Discussion in 'Acoustic Heaven' started by mtown, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. Charlie Bernstein

    Charlie Bernstein Poster Extraordinaire

    Apr 26, 2003
    Augusta, Maine
    I love how dreadnoughts feel. It's mandolins that hurt. (But they're so much fun, they're ow-worthy.)
     
  2. unfamous

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    Reaching over that large of a body , yechhh. I have mostly switched to OM size, there's nothing else to be done.
     
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  3. zombywoof

    zombywoof Friend of Leo's

    If my 1942 J-50 and 1961 B45-12 drew blood I would not stop playing them.
     
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  4. Bill

    Bill Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

    Mar 16, 2003
    London
    I know your problem. I have a 1950 J-45. Love it. But got a frozen shoulder from playing three hours hard without a break at a pub jam. Took me 18 months to heal.

    Sunday, I came back with my 1930 L-1 that has been in storage in the states.

    Same sound, same volume, even more articulate. And plenty of low end on tap.

    My shoulder thanks me.

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  5. Dobronaut

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    I was heartbroken when I had to sell my large bodied Lowden 26 years ago, because of neck and shoulder pain. I ended up with a Martin 00016. I was annoyed at the time, but don't regret it now. Good things can come out of adversity.
     
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  6. uriah1

    uriah1 Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    Feb 12, 2011
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    I have 2 J45s. One is the newer cutaway. Same sound, diff feel.
     
  7. ebb soul

    ebb soul Poster Extraordinaire

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    Simon and Patrick Mini Jumbo then. Best of both, and more affordable than a J45.
     
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  8. mtown

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    IMG_0617.JPG Problem solved. No it doesn’t sound like my old J-45 but it’s got its own thing going which I like. The best thing is I can play it without the shoulder problems.
     
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  9. mtown

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    Here’s some home pics of my Gibson L-00 Studio
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  10. Squiertony

    Squiertony TDPRI Member

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    Taylor GS mini? They sound pretty big but not quite like a dred...
     
  11. Axis29

    Axis29 Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

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    La Quinta, CA
    First, let me say, beautiful guitars. Love the vintage Gibby's!

    Second, I started reading this thread and the first thing that popped into my head is illustrated in this photo... a nice 12 fret guitar will get a lot of that bass response you miss from a big dread.

    I am very grateful that I am amid=size guy who barely notices guitar sizes. But, my very favorite acoustic is my little Keb Mo, a 12 fret LG-2 copy. Small parlor, but the bridge is moved back over the sound box and really picks up and projects the low notes beautifully.
     
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  12. Bill

    Bill Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

    Mar 16, 2003
    London
    Thanks and you really hit it.

    A well-made parlor guitar with a 12-fret neck puts the bridge right in the sweet spot. Volume, balance, bass response and sensitivity go way up.

    I have a ‘27 Martin O-28K that does a similar thing to the Gibby, but Martin-style, making me think it’s down to the 12 frets working right on a small-bodied guitar.
     
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  13. Chud

    Chud Poster Extraordinaire

    Dec 30, 2010
    New York City
    Sorry to hear you had to give up the J45, but the L-00 is a stunning and worthy alternate.

    I guess since i haven’t experienced it, it’s hard for me to imagine what it would be about the dread body that would cause shoulder pain versus a smaller body acoustic. Is reaching over the larger body really that much of an adjustment in position/posture?

    I play a concert size, a dread, and a super jumbo, none of which are more or less difficult or painful to play. I’ve had rotator cuff issues in both shoulders in the past, though neither has bothered me in a long while.

    Do you have existing shoulder issues, or is this something that the dread brought out on its own?
     
  14. jrblue

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    I have a Gibson/Ward's '36 L-00 style, but ladder braced. It is loud as heck and sounds beautiful, with much of the strong fundamental that makes the J-45 distinctive. It's very comfortable to play. Unfortunately, I believe that a great % of the newer versions of this great guitar suffer from the deadness of so many overbuilt Gibson acoustics. So I can't recommend it blindly, but if you find a good one, I think you would be happy with it. I'm no longer interested in playing whopper-sized acoustics.
     
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  15. drmmrr55

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    That's too bad about the J45...fantastic guitar! I too have right shoulder problems, and the ONLY acoustic I found I could play comfortably at all, was the Martin backpacker. I still do OK, (so far), with electric guitars, even semi-hollows, as long as they are thin bodied short scaled, ala ES335, ES339, Byrdland, the thinner the better. I for the longest time wanted the king of the flattops, (SJ-200), but I even struggle with shoulder pain a bit with an O shape parlor....not much help, sorry!
     
  16. mtown

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    I didn’t have any problems with dreads until I got in my 50’s. I’m 62 now. I had a beautiful D-35 that didn’t give me any shoulder issues. I sold that because I was flat broke and needed tires years ago. I’ve noticed as I get older I can’t play as long as I used to. Oh well I’ll just have to take more breaks. Thanks for your input.
     
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  17. mtown

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    The thinner bodies do better with me also. After reading up on this it seems to be a pretty common problem especially as we age. Perhaps the reach over the thicker body on acoustics is the problem. Playing classical style seems to help but doesn’t completely alleviate the problem. The smaller L-00 body is definitely better for right now.
     
  18. drmmrr55

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    Yep, it's definitely an age/arthritis thing, in order to play an acoustic guitar, you do have to put your shoulder in a unnatural position to use your picking hand properly. With a thin bodied guitar, you can rest your picking arm on top of the lower bout, and still reach the strings pretty good. On a wider bodied guitar, you have to rotate your shoulder more to reach the strings properly....resulting in quite a bit of pain for some of us!
     
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  19. 3fngrs

    3fngrs Friend of Leo's

    Oct 30, 2017
    Ohio
    I had some really bad pain along my right shoulder blade a while back that I'm sure was from the dread size guitar I was playing at the time. Now I'm considering buying a really good acoustic and I'm debating a j45 or d28 but I'm also wanting to spend some time with a 000 before I decide.
     
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  20. HappyHwy1owner

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    I separated both of my shoulders in a car wreck some 20+ years ago, so I feel your pain! Gave up on Dreadnaughts some time ago and settled on the 000 body size. Have more recently graduated to an OM and am very happy with it.
     
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