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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Jupiter, Apr 10, 2011.

  1. Jupiter

    Jupiter Doctor of Teleocity

    Jun 22, 2010
    Osaka, Japan
    There's another thread around here recently where a fella is asking what tele to get in the 5,000-dollar range. He's thinking about a Fender Masterbuilt and wants advice.

    Several guys have piped up with "why spend all that money on hype? Go to a smaller luthier (the names of several great guys on TDPRI have come up) and have them hand-build you one for less than half the price Fender charges to slap that decal on the headstock."

    Some other guys have scolded the first guys for trying to dissuade the OP from what he wants. Some even accused the first guys of sour grapes: "You're dissing MBs because you can never afford one."

    It's an interesting life puzzle: somebody asks for your advice, within certain parameters, but you feel that the parameters they set are not appropriate for the situation.

    What do you do? Does good manners dictate that you stick within the set parameters, or does being a good friend mean that you tell the person they need to re-think their assumptions?

    (Full disclosure: My advice was "I'd buy 2 Kirns!" :p)
  2. Colt W. Knight

    Colt W. Knight Doctor of Teleocity

    Jan 21, 2007
    Tucson, AZ
    When someone asks me for advice, I tell 'em what I would do. AND... I would save some money.
  3. Tim Armstrong

    Tim Armstrong Super Moderator Staff Member

    Mar 5, 2003
    Austin, Texas
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    When the question is about something that's pretty much outside the range of my own experience (like a $5000 Telecaster), I try to refrain from giving advice!

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  5. Brendo

    Brendo Tele-Holic

    Apr 14, 2009
    Kendenup, Western Australia
    There's two kinds of asking for advice.

    There's the kind 'This is what I've decided to do, but haven't done yet. I want you to tell me I am going to do the right thing'

    Then there's the 'Here are my options, can you help me make an informed choice?'

    I try to swing my advice towards the informed choice kind. Let them know what 'I' would consider if it was me making the decision.

    Usually, though, people who ask me are asking for the first kind of advice.
  6. JeradP

    JeradP Former Member

    Jan 21, 2011
    If I ever could spend 5k on a guitar (I certainly wouldn't), I would want some advice on gutars in that price range. It's like buying a car-you do research on them. You may want a Ford (in this case a Fender), but with a little resarch and questioning, you may find that a Toyota (A Kirn perhaps in this case) will get you much more bang for your buck.

    Just saying, 5000 is a lot of money to spend on a guitar, why just wing it on your own when you can ask people in the know?
  7. Nick JD

    Nick JD Doctor of Teleocity

    Asking what Tele to get in the $5000 range is the guitar-eqivalent of a woman asking if her bum looks fat in this.

    My advice is the women's fashion equivalent of, "Yes, honey it does."

    Buy a CVC and donate the change to your favourite charity and your bum will look great in it.
  8. Pinball_Wizard

    Pinball_Wizard Tele-Holic

    May 6, 2008
    San Diego
    Just be honest, it's their choice to request advice.
  9. Somebody had a thread where they listed 5 or so phase shifters and they said, "I want it to sound like Waylon and be from one of these 5 please don't suggest used or a different model."

    So, I knew 3 of the devices and knew which one I could quickly and easily cop that exact sound... and recommended it...

    Almost all the respondents clearly did not listen to the Waylon clip and just recommended the phaser they liked... my head shakes as I type this...

    On the 5K guitar thing... The guy says, "I wanna spend 5K on a tele"

    Okay, so, you buy a detemple or you buy a vintage tele... to me the other advice is beside the point.

    Sure you can drive to the store in a Yaris as easily as in a ferrari... sometimes you have ferrari money and wanna go in a ferrari... I can't understand why broke guys always want to lecture people with money on economics... but, they do!
  10. TheGoodTexan

    TheGoodTexan Doctor of Teleocity

    Apr 28, 2003
    Nashville, TN

    And I'll add a little to that.

    Whenever I'm asked for my opinion or advice on a serious issue... I always repeat the question back to them, then remind them that they asked me for my opinion.

    "Since you asked..."
  11. JeradP

    JeradP Former Member

    Jan 21, 2011
  12. redstringuitar

    redstringuitar Poster Extraordinaire

    Mar 6, 2009
    Knowledge sharing is as natural as self-esteem and a desire to be accepted.

    Guitar pickers got egos.
  13. rangercaster

    rangercaster Friend of Leo's

    May 8, 2008
    portland, or
    if you ask advice from a bunch of strangers on an internet forum, you deserve whatever you get ... and you get what you paid for, as well ...
  14. redstringuitar

    redstringuitar Poster Extraordinaire

    Mar 6, 2009
    Yeah, sue me! :D
  15. Jupiter

    Jupiter Doctor of Teleocity

    Jun 22, 2010
    Osaka, Japan
    Yeah, and related to this, I think there's sometimes an impulse to try to get the other person to value things the way that you value them--to reinforce your view of the world. I have to admit that I actually have an emotional reaction when people say they spent $5,259.99 on a La Cabronita or something like that. I may or may not be able to keep my mouth shut, but I can't NOT roll my eyes.

    Somebody wrote in another thread recently: "women are ruled by emotions; men are ruled by logic." I didn't post on that, but I genuinely LOL'ed.
  16. jaimed

    jaimed Poster Extraordinaire

    Must be gettin' up in years.

    Can't afford to give away any mo' pieces of my mind.

    Sho' won't have any left.

  17. fuzzbender

    fuzzbender Former Member

    Feb 15, 2011
    Name me anyone who takes advice, i'd like to sell them some insurance
  18. JeradP

    JeradP Former Member

    Jan 21, 2011
    Here's some advice-don't play in traffic

    Can I have your guitars when you decide to not listen to my advice? :D
  19. rodger

    rodger Tele-Meister

    Oct 31, 2006
    NE Ohio
    I remember that thread... and laughing when the first several answers were "none of the above." I remember thinking that these repliers hadn't read (or understood) the question. I read the first several posts to my GF who said, "That's not what he asked for? Did they even read it?"

    I like Tim's answer. For example - I read a question like, "Which of these 2 specific Tele's should I buy?" If I don't have a definite opinion about the 2 Tele's, I won't post anything. The guy has narrowed down his choices to these 2. I wouldn't think of telling him to buy something else.

    On the other hand, when someone says they're considering a specific guitar and does anyone have an opinion on something better they might consider - then, it's fair to respond with one's opinions about alternatives.
  20. Nogbad

    Nogbad Tele-Holic

    Aug 9, 2007
    Washington UK
    5K on A Telecaster. I would buy one USA Standard and Ten Squiers!
  21. fuzzbender

    fuzzbender Former Member

    Feb 15, 2011
    Unless you're chasing ambulances.

    Advise you don't have them, they make you sound like you can't play
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