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Discussion in 'Glowing Bottle Tube Amp Forum' started by 52BIGSBY, Jul 16, 2013.

  1. 52BIGSBY

    52BIGSBY Tele-Meister

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    May 12, 2013
    Emsworth UK
    Hello Fellow Tele's,
    I live in the South of England and feel the need for the above amp. U-tube research does not quite give the clarity of result that I feel I need before I go ahead and start the buying process, and so I was wondering if any nearby owners could offer me a go on theirs through my 4 ohm 2X12 cab?
    I would be very happy if this can be arranged.
    Any NMV amps that people feel I should consider I would also be pleased to try or at least consider.
    Thank you for any help or opinions......
    Richard.
     
  2. 52BIGSBY

    52BIGSBY Tele-Meister

    160
    May 12, 2013
    Emsworth UK
    Me again,
    Or a JCM800...I am not sure about getting the thumpy cleans from one of these, but would enjoy finding out.
    Thanks again for any help,
    Richard.
     
  3. 52BIGSBY

    52BIGSBY Tele-Meister

    160
    May 12, 2013
    Emsworth UK
    .......Or a Vintage Modern?..........................
     
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  5. 52BIGSBY

    52BIGSBY Tele-Meister

    160
    May 12, 2013
    Emsworth UK
    Or shall I just join a Marshall forum and ask there?
     
  6. Wally

    Wally Telefied

    Mar 17, 2003
    Lubbock, TX
    What are you curious about? MD 1987.....think hard hitting 5F6A BAssman due mainly to the solid state rectifier versus the tube rectifier of the 5F6A BAssman and the early 'Bluesbreaker' Marshall. Think Angus Young of AC/DC when it is pushed with humbuckers.
    JCM 800....?what model?? IIRC, there were 14 or 15 different JCM 800 amps.
    FWIW, if you want big thumpy cleans, go for the 100-watter. Think Anguss brother Malcolm on rhythm. He uses the 100-watt MD. 1959.
     
  7. 52BIGSBY

    52BIGSBY Tele-Meister

    160
    May 12, 2013
    Emsworth UK
    Thanks for that, you are correct in asking about the amount of JCM800's, and as from my post can tell I am reasonably unclear as to the Marshall thing. However I played many years ago a NMV Marshall amp that had such great depth of tone that it has got to be the best base from which to build.
    If I can just sort out a try of one then I can have some direction. To be honest I do not know what you mean by MD. I find lots of expressions like this and have no idea what people are "talking" about. Again any help with thanks.
    Richard.
     
  8. Wally

    Wally Telefied

    Mar 17, 2003
    Lubbock, TX
    Richardm, I shoul dhave used a small 'd' there with a period. Md. 1987...meaning Model 1987---50 watt, 2 x EL-34's. There is a Md. 1987 in the JTM Series starting in 1966, There is a Md. 1987 in the JMP series, and there is a Md. 1987 was continued through the JCM 800 Series.
    IF you played a non-MV Marshall, on-reverb amp long ago and it was in head form, then you more than likely played either the Md. 1987 50-watter or the Md. 1959 100-watt. These amps have 4 inputs.....and they made much music happen from the late '60's to modern days. There are bass versions of both of those amps.
    If you run across a Md. 1959S('91-'93) or Md. 1959SLP ('93 on), thsoe are modern versions of the 100-watt, 4-hole Md. 1959. THe SLP is the most accurate repro of the orignal 1959. The 'Modern Vitnage mentioned above is a 2 power tube modern take on the classic 50-watter, IIRC.
    If you find a MD. 2203(100 watt) or Md. 2204(50 wt), you might find those interesting. The best are from the JMP era..'75 through '82, imho. These are MV amps, but they yield verymuch the same sonics as the non-mv, ime....just turn the MV to 10 and run the channel volumes at about 6-7. There ya go! Ime, every amp has a 'spot' where it starts to go to work. For these Marshalls, it is at at least '6' on the dial, for me.
     
  9. 52BIGSBY

    52BIGSBY Tele-Meister

    160
    May 12, 2013
    Emsworth UK
    Thanks Wally, really helpful. All considered it was a 1959. I used to have a Carvin Bel Air, two channel 50W amp. The clean channel was great, but stayed fairly clean even when pushed. The gain channel acted as a master volume, but I found it hard to dial in the correct tone without some fizzing out. I am thinking that a 1987x would be a very satisfactory half way house allowing more access to the deeper sound that one looses on master volume amps. It is good to know that this is in fact possible on the earlier master volume JMP's, and might save me from possibly buying a power brake or using my guitar volume pot properly......
    Richard.
     
  10. 52BIGSBY

    52BIGSBY Tele-Meister

    160
    May 12, 2013
    Emsworth UK
    Well,
    After all that I have just gone and bought a Vox AC30 HWH. Mathched with the old Carvin 2X12 it is a lot of fun. I think that given time I can destroy my house with soundwaves alone! Recommended.
    Richard.
     
  11. Wally

    Wally Telefied

    Mar 17, 2003
    Lubbock, TX
    Congrats...nice amp...although it is not known for 'thumpy cleans'.
     
  12. Teletubbi

    Teletubbi Tele-Holic

    746
    Oct 10, 2012
    West
    cross tape yer windows to avoid the dreaded VOX flying glass shards syndrome
     
  13. 52BIGSBY

    52BIGSBY Tele-Meister

    160
    May 12, 2013
    Emsworth UK
    Thanks for the interesting comments. Oddly enough I was also thinking that the tone would be as you have suggested. However the bigsby this guitar produces a lot of depth, and matched with the Carvin 2X12 rewired for 16 ohms, gives a superb thump alike a LP. The treble can also be dealt with by use of the treble cut knob. Once I had tried this amp there was no going back. I used to have an AC30 a long time ago, but had all sorts of problems, the valve bases caught fire, I had to re-wire the input transformer, change valves etc. In the end it just got too much........
    It will be a pleasure not having these "used valve amp" worries. I have not bought anything new for so long, it is all a bit exciting even when one is 51!
    By the way, its not the windows that concern me, its the floor joists!
    Thanks for the input, and although no one came forward with the offer of a try on a NMV Marshall, I will offer a try on this if it might help someone in my earlier position.
    Richard.
     
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