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Lightweight replacement for Fender Schaller 2 pin tuners

Discussion in 'Tele-Technical' started by Jackadder, Sep 15, 2017.

  1. Jackadder

    Jackadder Tele-Meister

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    Jun 12, 2014
    Western Australia
    Built a '72 Deluxe that has a severe neck dive problem. The neck was deliberately chunky for first assembly, and I have since (today) slimmed it down somewhat, but while the Tru-oil is drying I was wondering if replacing the tuners might also aid in re-balancing this beast.

    Tuners installed were these Fender (Schaller) 2 pin jobs, which I really like, but is there a similar, lighter weight, reliable replacement?

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  2. tessting1two

    tessting1two Tele-Meister

    377
    Apr 13, 2014
    Southern California
    About the only direct replacement for the 2 pin Schallers are the Kluson Contemporary series but there's not going to be much of a weight savings, if any. The Hipshot Classic Open and Sperzel Open-back tuners are probably the lightest available but both of those use different mounting schemes.

    You could probably achieve much of the same weight savings just by switching to plastic or wood knobs on your existing tuners. But with all that said guitar tuner weight just doesn't affect balance as much as say bass tuners do.

    http://www.kluson.com/contemporary-diecast.html

    http://www.sperzel.com/housing-styles.php

    https://hipshotproducts.com/collect.../products/classic-open-guitar-tuning-machines
     
  3. Jackadder

    Jackadder Tele-Meister

    497
    Jun 12, 2014
    Western Australia
    Thanks for the reply. Was up against it from the start, weight-wise, with the heavy timbers I used for the neck & fretboard and the big CBS strat headstock....might look into plastic knobs, though.
     
  4. 61fury

    61fury Tele-Afflicted

    Aug 28, 2009
    knoxville, TN
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  5. RLee77

    RLee77 Friend of Leo's

    May 15, 2016
    Silicon Valley
    Tuner weight can affect balance a lot, but whether replacing them will make a significant difference depends on the weight of your current tuners. I put some heavy (1/2 lb total) fender locking tuners on my in-progress tele build and I'm worried I might have the same problem when it's done.

    A few links that might have useful info:
    http://www.tdpri.com/threads/locking-tuners-upgrade.672201/

    http://www.tdpri.com/threads/gotoh-staggered-height-vintage-tuners.762058/

    http://www.tdpri.com/threads/thoughts-on-locking-tuners-for-tele-build.761711/
     
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  6. MatsEriksson

    MatsEriksson Tele-Holic

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    Aug 12, 2011
    Malmoe Sweden
    Sorry for resurrecting an almost year old thread, but I don't think it's THAT old, and since nothing new has come into market that will do lighweight or buck neckdiving, I use to test this first, whenever doing any Telecaster, partscaster build, or even checking out existing ones:

    1. Remove ALL strings and ALL tuners up the headstock, even rings bushings, and leave the headstock "open" and "naked" so to speak.
    2. Sit down with the guitar at playing angle and test: Does it still neck dive?
    3. If it doesn't, well then, some lightweight tuners may do the trick, but if it still neck dives the quest for buying anything new to put there is futile, moot.
    4. Ususally, if you can live with it, a pickguard on the body made of metal (not aluminium) and change out anything PLASTIC to steel, at the body end, will do wonders in some cases. Small things like removing string trees doesn't even register if a guitar will neck dive or not, and is within unmeasurable tolerances.
    5. Changing the strap pin points may level it while standing up and sitting down but it's a matter of personal ergonomic judgement, and what's ergonomic for me ain't ergonomic for you. Perhaps.

    However, I think telecaster bodies when sitting down are actually made so they won't neck dive. At least original. I do think that one has to accept a certain amount of neck dive, but it's a fine line when the neck dive is becoming a nuisance, and PIA, and the neck dive is so slight that it is of no problem for the fretting hand. On most electric basses this is always a more huge problem actually. Due to their long neck, and lever principle that comes into play, and the more strings (5 strings 6 strings and up) the more junk you have to put on the headstock. Beats me.

    Me on the other hands thinks that the latest fad among all builders (bass and electris alike) is to strive for as lighweight bodies as possible in order for gaining something in the sound, sustain and so on. Which I think is crap BS when it comes to all electrics. I e that the neck, with hardware on, is heavier (due to that there it has to be hard rock maple, laminated) will weigh a lot more, than the body does (with electrics and hardware on too). No wonder, it will turn into a neck diving king. I've encountered several attemps, and they sell it and hype the instruments as "incredibly lighweight" but misses totally out on the balance. I think at least bass guitar magazine (online or not) should make this a compulsory test, even list it whenever they are reviewing ANY bass, for any price. Christ even some I've talked to says that "their" bass won't sound the same if it didn't neck dive. Such bollocks.
     
  7. stratclub

    stratclub Tele-Meister

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    Mar 15, 2018
    PNW
    May I suggest you not build a guitar that is neck heavy? A few onces on the tuners really won't make much difference. People with SG's try to do all kinds of nonsense to correct it's neck heavy tenancies. Not a problem actually. just don't let go of the neck while playing. Problem solved.
     
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  8. teleplayr

    teleplayr Tele-Holic

    Buy a strap with suede leather on the inside.
     
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