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Kemper.... Anyone tried one?

Discussion in 'Modeling Amps, Plugins and Apps' started by WhiskeyRebellio, May 23, 2017.

  1. codamedia

    codamedia Friend of Leo's

    Apr 4, 2009
    Western Canada
    This.... exactly! I setup my HD500 to mimic my amp and pedal board for live use! We don't use in-ears, but as long as I have my own monitor mix and a nice wedge I'm good to go just as I would be with my pedal board and amp.

    FWIW... before the HD500 I used an X3, before that I used a Sans Amp... I've been going direct (as well as using traditional amps) since the early 90's... I'm very comfortable with any style of setup.
     
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  2. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    Mar 17, 2003
    Spring City, Pa
    Do you gig it?
    What's a Helix?
    Sorry...tweed player, here ;)
     

  3. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    Mar 17, 2003
    Spring City, Pa
    I sometimes play with a guy who uses this little red POD thing.
    He says its a POD 2.
    The 1 wasn't too good and the "improved" 3 was a disaster, but he loves the 2.
    Whatever the deal, he travels light and sounds great.
     
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  4. Frodebro

    Frodebro Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    Aug 17, 2012
    Seattle
    I officially retired from playing out twenty years ago, so it's never been used in that capacity. There are plenty of upper-level players using them live, though. The Helix is Line 6's latest modeler, and it's really good as well.
     

  5. hrstrat57

    hrstrat57 Tele-Afflicted

    Nov 21, 2016
    Rhode Island
    Headrush is finally starting to hit Guitar Center can't wait to get my hands (feet?) on it!
     

  6. Bart Dietvorst

    Bart Dietvorst TDPRI Member

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    May 1, 2017
    the Netherlands
    I love mine, pared with good profiles (MBritt is the best imo) it is unbeatable. Here's a teleclip with mine (bass, pedalsteel and acoustic guitar are also recorded with the Kemper):
     

  7. Plumber

    Plumber Tele-Meister

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    Jun 5, 2014
    london
    I played a kemper with M Britt profiles - it had a divided by 13 profile that was as close as you would need to my actual divided by 13 amp

    However I went with the Helix on the basis of routing options, which are stunning

    I have my tube amps and pedals which are 'better' for home

    last night I played with my helix modelling a deluxe with a Klon and delay and trem into tech 21 power station with another route to Klon into my fender Princeton 68 - ie modelled v the 'real thing' - in rehearsal it just sounded superb with neither side better just great sound

    I use the helix in another band set up - we are going bass/guitar/guitar/keys into one helix with their own effects route into PA, everyone loves it - easy set up - delays/trems in time with each other - its a revelation to be honest
     

  8. Georox

    Georox Tele-Afflicted

    Oct 30, 2014
    The tan house in AZ
    Kemper plus FRFR out of my budget.
     

  9. ahmetomer

    ahmetomer TDPRI Member

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    If i had funds I would get a kemper rack and pedal board and a nice monitor to use live etc...

    And never bother analog amps. Yes i love tubes but way expensive way heavy and harder to record at home(low volume tone)...
     
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  10. msmith886

    msmith886 TDPRI Member

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    Oct 23, 2015
    Alabama
    I went with the Fractal AX8 over the Kemper and love it. Highly recommend checking out Fractal Axe Effects. I've been able to get some great tones out it for sure. Keith Urban uses one.
     

  11. JTStivers

    JTStivers TDPRI Member

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    Sep 2, 2007
    Topsham, Maine
    I have used a Kemper rackmount for a couple of years and have always thought it sounded and felt great. I'm used to studio recording, so the experience of monitoring myself during gigs (clubs, etc) with a processed sound is familiar. In terms of tone and volume, the Kemper is so easy to control, whereas with my analog rig (now a Redplate CDS-3) the tone/volume variables are harder for me to control and have a consistently good sounding output. I think the Kemper patches sound amazing (M Brit, etc.). Every once in awhile, I gig with the Redplate, and it sounds great at times, but the sweet spot seems to change a lot and is inconsistent. Not the Redplate's fault, BTW...I have always struggled to "play the amp." I think if I played in a band that had a more uniform genre identity (blues, or southern rock, or funk. . . .) I'd probably use the Redplate more often, as the woolliness of a cooking tube amp is part of the charm. But my gigs always span lots of genres. If I were badder-assed, the Redplate would do it, but alas! And at 60, I want to concentrate on the music. So the Kemper works for me.

    I run my kemper through a QSC 10" FRFR pointing up at me in the usual monitor fashion. Occasionally I backline it, but I prefer it monitor style. Sound guys love it. I also have the proprietary remote, and I appreciate how well it integrates with the profiler. I do not profile my own amps--my profiler is already loaded with good tones that work for me. I particularly like the Matchless, Marshall, and Dumble profiles along with assorted clean-oriented patches.

    My only struggle with the Kemper is setting up the effects on the remote in performance mode so that the number and sequence of effects is ideal for me. I find it much easier to use external pedals to get effects, but I'm trying to remain self-contained, since the kemper has everything I need (not as fancy an effects or routing engine as AXE, but I don't need that level of sophistication). I am trying to use the same effects on all of my performance slots in locked mode because I can't remember or manage different effects schemes for different amps, but that prevents me from having it perfectly functional in terms of my needs and limitations. Two more effects slots would do it! I may eventually go to a dedicated effects unit. That would suck in terms of set-up ease.
     

  12. JTStivers

    JTStivers TDPRI Member

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    Sep 2, 2007
    Topsham, Maine
    I love this quote below! I'm that dude--I just want my steak to be delicious. I am the lame-ass bad guy in the Matrix (Cypher!) For me, my leaning toward the Kemper boils down to control on gigs. I have an excellent tube rig I use in a Top 40 cover band, but sometimes I use the Kemper. I find the Kemper to have a lot more control than my amp set-up, because the amp rig will respond differently to the various factors of performance, whereas the Kemper is (for me, anyway) much more consistent and predictable. I also get that a cooking tube amp can get wild in the most charming or bad-assed ways, but the Kemper sounds so good, honestly, that, in addition to its ability to control volume, tone, etc., it's more reliably satisfying for me. In my experience, the overdriven Kemper sounds excel, and I have a pretty convincing D-Style smoove thing, a rich Marshall roar, and that bristling Matchless crunch-to-overdrive pallette I love. In live situations, I have not yet got the Kemper's clean patches to resonate and fill the room like my tube amp does (right now, a Redplate CDS3 head), but it's doing the job in clean mode. I'm sure I can get that aspect better, and have improved the clean tones and projection over time. I have also had trouble programming the KPA and the K remote so that effects behave intuitively or so I can address them well, and this has chased me back to the tube rig lately. I am in the process of automating all program changes via IPad midi controls--our band is a power trio, and we do not stop between songs. This makes the usual tap dancing difficult to handle on either set up, but the midi program control should work flawlessly with the Kemper.

    I find the philosophy and ontology of this amp debate interesting, but I am after great sound, great control, and light weight, simple to set up convenience. At this point in my ancient life, the rest doesn't matter to me. The Kemper is almost there for me.

    My last question made me think of the character in The Matrix who wanted to be 'back inside,' who said that he knew he wasn't actually eating steak, but the simulation/emulation/whatever was just like eating steak, so (to him) that was what was important. I guess that if someone tries a Kemper with their amp(s) of choice profiled and the experience is the same as playing thru the amp that was profiled, it's entirely possible that it might be acceptable to ditch the previous rig altogether.[/QUOTE]
     

  13. rlawson

    rlawson NEW MEMBER!

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  14. Georox

    Georox Tele-Afflicted

    Oct 30, 2014
    The tan house in AZ
    Great first post.
     

  15. RoyBGood

    RoyBGood Poster Extraordinaire

    Not enough knobs to play with.
     

  16. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

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    Mar 17, 2003
    Spring City, Pa
    I'm attracted to the extra expense and inconvenience of old tube amps ;)
     
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  17. braveheart

    braveheart TDPRI Member

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    Hamburg,Germany
    What do you mean with "if you aren't using in ears that it can be a little weird" ?
     

  18. brobar

    brobar Tele-Holic

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    May 30, 2017
    Colorado
    Love my Kemper! I have missed my tube amps I had back in the 90s and was considering one of the new Dr Z Z Plus amps. I played one and it just blew me away. However, I'd have to put a Z Brake on it for bedroom level play and it just seemed like putting a governor on a Porsche so it couldn't go faster than 110. Seems wasted. Anyways... once I heard the Dr Z Kemper packs (specifically the Z Plus Kemper profile) it was SO good I decided to go that route instead. I haven't been able to A/B the Z Plus profile next to the real Z Plus, but it sounds and feels very familiar. I'm sure there are differences, but I like it. I like it a lot! And for *my* purposes (hobbyist at home player with hopes of maybe one day playing on the worship team at church) it fits my needs perfectly! I've got 95% of that Z Plus sound and feel at a more affordable price, in a smaller and more versatile package. I've got thousands of dollars worth of pedals on my pedalboard and I find myself not even using hardly any of them anymore. I still use my spring reverb pedal. I haven't had a need for any of my delays and rarely do I touch any of my ODs anymore. I've held on to a few of them because they work swimmingly through the Kemper... I've just found I don't need them as much anymore to get the sound I want.

    Anyways... I've only had it for a few months and I'm still learning some of the ins and outs... but I'm glad I went that route instead of the standalone Z Plus w/ Z Brake. For *my* situation it just made sense and was a great call!
     

  19. braveheart

    braveheart TDPRI Member

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    Apr 15, 2018
    Hamburg,Germany
    Yes,but Keith uses only the fx site (delay?), not the amp models...

    Many people dont understand, that a Kemper is in a different league of technical level...it can CLONE an amp...EVEN picky NASHVILLE studio aces couldnt tell which is the Kemper/real amp
    the the other companies try to rebuild an amp model- big difference!
     

  20. bluescaster72

    bluescaster72 Tele-Holic

    698
    Mar 4, 2009
    pennsylvaina
    I've never had the chance to play through one but heard one live and the other guitarist used a Blackstar tube amp. I preferred the Blackstar . The Kempler sounded like there was a blanket on it the sound was generic . This was a national touring band too. Great players but I wouldn't invest that sort of money from my first impression.
     

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