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Job market - testing the waters.

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by imwjl, Mar 12, 2018.

  1. Random1643

    Random1643 Tele-Holic Silver Supporter

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    Mar 11, 2015
    Upper Midwest
    Yeah, that's probably true in a lot of fields, Big Daddy, in the pale light of the early 21st century. The reason I used words like "perhaps" and "may." That said, in my current organization/institution - the applied wing of a big public university - and in the somewhat related field I'm hoping to slide into there are plenty of folks with lots of years, even decades invested. They may change hats now and then but many have stayed with the same employer.
     
  2. radiocaster

    radiocaster Friend of Leo's

    Aug 18, 2015
    europe
    Also, don't mention cargo shrots despite the constant problems you'll have on here.

    Last summer I noticed the youngest people wearing cargo shrots were in their late 30s or probably even older, younger people now wear other types of shrots.
     
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  3. Piggy Stu

    Piggy Stu Friend of Leo's

    Feb 26, 2017
    UK
    First half of me is interviewing people to join my team. I bet I interviewed over 100 candidates

    The ones that went wrong, when I look back, always showed their faults in interview. I JUST DIDN'T LISTEN RIGHT
     
  4. imwjl

    imwjl Poster Extraordinaire

    Mar 21, 2007
    My mom's basement.
    Thanks all. This is mostly about being ready or covered. I was surprised to see some fellow oldies land good jobs but they are at the university where associates say they're quite honest or good about discrimination.

    I started with a content draft that is dates and a long list of what I've done. That should speed up any need to act fast. I used to be an IT specialist but management is high level generalist so I want to be able to address both sorts of opportunities.

    My daily exercise has been switched up for a few days with this in mind. I've done some coursework via iPad while on stationary bike. It seems like getting back into the technical certifications track might combat age discrimination. Except for CISSP, I don't know if those certifications count as they did earlier.

    Hmmm.... My daughter thinks my wearing Five Ten or skate style shoes = a significant part of my youthful ways but that's probably too much of a niche and I think it scares some.

    Thanks again.
     
  5. BigDaddyLH

    BigDaddyLH Telefied Ad Free Member

    I thought dentists were self-employed.
     
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  6. Staggerlee666

    Staggerlee666 Tele-Meister

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    Jul 24, 2014
    MPLS
    If you keep telling yourself that there is age discrimination in the job market, all you will see is age discrimination. Get it? You need to start this job search thing with much more positivity and not listen to losers and excuses who are telling how hard it is.

    To revamp your resume, leave off education/college graduation dates and remove any old jobs especially if they are no longer relevant. I wouldn't keep more than 20 years total work experience on my resume.

    Your resume should speak about quantifiable results you have achieved for the companies you worked for. Remember, companies hire to solve a problem and They care if you can make them or save them money and if you will be a good fit culturally. You need to show how you managed to make the company money or how you managed to save it money.

    Another piece of advice, I wouldn't rely on the job boards and submitting online very much. It is best to join up with reputable headhunters in your industry as they can get your foot in the door.

    Also, start connecting with people on LinkedIn (please tell me you have an up to date LinkedIn profile?) at your target companies that either have the same job as you do or are the potential hiring managers. Once you connect with them, you want to shoot them a message along the lines of "Hey XXX, we don't know each other but I wanted to ask you some advice regarding ACME Company. I noticed you are hiring for XYZ and I am curious to learn a bit more about whether it will be a good fit for someone with my background. Would you be open to chatting on the phone with me for 5 min one of these days? I'd love to pick your brain a little bit. Thanks, Joe Shmoe 555-123-4567".

    Obviously, don't ask them to refer you or anything, you want to get on what phone, ask them about the company, job, hiring manager, and figure out what value you can potentially provide to them.

    Good luck!
     
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  7. BigDaddyLH

    BigDaddyLH Telefied Ad Free Member

    That's all good advice. I was told when I was looking for work, that you shouldn't wait for a job opening to be posted. Get your foot in the door and have them create a position for you.
     
  8. Staggerlee666

    Staggerlee666 Tele-Meister

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    Jul 24, 2014
    MPLS
    That's a good strategy but it's also a very long shot in some ways. It is not that easy for an executive at a company to justify a new position and then obtain a budget for it. If the OP is thinking long term, as in 12-18 months, that would be a good thing to try, but I don't think it will happen fast.

    The other reason I recommend doing the direct outreach is that it bypasses HR, who are after all trying to screen out anyone they don't think is a good fit. Problem is, unless they are hiring for other HR people, HR doesn't really know who would be the beat candidate. That's why you want to find your way to the decision maker.
     
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