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Jazz box with overdrive - how would it sound?

Discussion in 'Other Guitars, other instruments' started by perttime, Mar 3, 2018.

  1. perttime

    perttime Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 13, 2014
    Finland
    I like to get my overdrive from the amp. Preferably cleaning up with volume knob or just playing softly.
     
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  2. ac15

    ac15 Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

    May 9, 2005
    CHICAGO, IL.
    I have 1959 es-225 (two pickup model), which I used with overdrive in one band I was in. I love that guitar, and usually play it clean these days, but if I use more than very, very occasional overdrive, I feel that there are better choices. I think most hollowbodies don't excel at overdrive, unless it's just a bit of amp breakup. Personally I'd bring a Les Paul if I wanted to use a lot of drive.
     

  3. Random1643

    Random1643 Tele-Meister

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    This is a hollow-body with a single P-90, but he's definitely getting into some IMO cool over-driven tones:

     
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  4. maxvintage

    maxvintage Friend of Leo's Ad Free Member

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    Aside from the most obvious example, Brian Setzer, a lot of classic jazz recordings have significant amounts of saturation on them even when they sound "clean" by modern standard. Famous example would be Kenny Burrell on Midnight blue, which most people would describe as clean but which has a lot of low gain saturation on it. Or Grant Green






    I know most people would call that a "clean" tone but it's hard to get in a solid state amp without a little bit of saturation going on. Or listen to this:





    You can also hear saturation going on with Charlie Christian, quite a bit actually
     
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  5. ac15

    ac15 Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

    May 9, 2005
    CHICAGO, IL.
    I agree wholeheartedly, but I assumed the OP was talking about more extreme overdrive than that.

    Yes, I know these examples have distortion, but practically speaking, they are “clean” to me.

    I do think jazz boxes excel at that level of drive, though I still feel that for more extreme drive, there are better tools. My Gretsch Country Club is somewhat of an exception, because it handles drive a bit better than my es-225, which can be prone to feedback. Still, love that 225.
     

  6. Ro_S

    Ro_S Tele-Meister

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    Mar 10, 2015
    England
    That's extremely thin for a jazz box style guitar. Given how thin it is, some might say it isn't a jazz box at all.

    Your thread title and OP are misleading. Thinline Jazz Box guitars are not typically that thin.

    You could add a bridge pickup yourself?

    Why are you so interested in it? You might as well get a 335 type guitar or Casino?

    Plus, that bridge will be a nuisance.
     
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  7. 3-Chord-Genius

    3-Chord-Genius Friend of Leo's

    Apr 3, 2015
    Winchester, VA
    With more than just a touch of overdrive, it might get close to that neck pickup solo part that Nugent played on Stranglehold. I think he got his overdrive from cranked Fender amps. Man... that must have been ear-shattering.
     

  8. perttime

    perttime Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 13, 2014
    Finland
    I have no particular wish to ever play death metal. Nugent's Stranglehold definitely has enough gain, and then some. I sometimes get an urge to play a ZZ Top song, but prefer to do it at less gain than Reverend Billy tends to use. My greatest fun is staying where playing softly gives me "clean with hair", and digging in sounds obviously overdriven.
     

  9. kevsonic

    kevsonic Tele-Meister

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    Wonderful, would be my guess. Light breakup can get you into some Grant Green territory, or even aspects of Kurt Rosenwinkel.
     
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  10. bottlenecker

    bottlenecker Friend of Leo's

    Dec 6, 2015
    Wisconsin

    That clipper is the only gretsch I've ever wanted. Single coil, no bridge pickup, and a plain archtop bridge.
    It's a plywood top, right? It ought to sound a lot like my kay galaxie.
     

  11. screamin eagle

    screamin eagle Poster Extraordinaire

    Oct 9, 2008
    S. CA
    Jazz box and overdrive can sound like this:

     
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  12. bottlenecker

    bottlenecker Friend of Leo's

    Dec 6, 2015
    Wisconsin

    The OP was pretty clear he was talking about a fully hollow jazz box, but any time the word "hollow" is used on this forum people start talking about 335s and such. My guess is people haven't played them and don't realize how extremely different they are. They just see F holes.
     
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  13. bottlenecker

    bottlenecker Friend of Leo's

    Dec 6, 2015
    Wisconsin

    From everything you've said, I think you're really going to like it.
     

  14. JazzboxBlues

    JazzboxBlues Tele-Holic

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    4D9F60E5-453B-4092-8316-544FC05FF45D.jpeg I find these sound best for me just overdriving a Fender Tweed amp. The amp in the picture isn’t too bad either. Especially with the mid turned up. Kind of puts it in the tweed territory.
     
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  15. JD0x0

    JD0x0 Poster Extraordinaire

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    Feedback control is an art, but can actually be useful to the sound. The 'bloom' you get from a thin hollow guitar just breaking into controlled feedback kind of reminds me of some wind instruments. Notes and chords 'grow' after you initially hit them, it reminds me of when a wind player eases into a stronger sounding note.
     
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  16. jayyj

    jayyj Tele-Holic

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    Clippers are great, especially when you look at how cheap they are. Yes, ply top. It's a bit raspy unplugged but actually quite a lot better built than my much fancier Rally from the same era.
     
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  17. 3-Chord-Genius

    3-Chord-Genius Friend of Leo's

    Apr 3, 2015
    Winchester, VA
    I think most people (including myself) can't see any external features that would indicate whether a guitar is hollow or semi. Perhaps there is a way to tell, but if so I don't know what it would be.
     

  18. RadioFM74

    RadioFM74 Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

    I think we're mixing all sorts of fruits together in this thread: apples oranges pears watermelons… anything that is not a solidbody and has a pickup slapped on. Of course, with so wide a definition of "jazzbox" it can play anything from Junior Barnard to Wes Montgomery. Point is, JB used a fairly primitive DeArmond pickup (I have one of those!) into very old technology tube amps, and Wes was playing a humbucker through a big blackface amp. Two different planets… Not to mention semihollows, also mentioned here, and more subtle differences such as laminated top vs solid top.

    I really have no experience of the guitar you're going for. I've seen/heard some that belong to the same category. It looks designed with jazzmen in mind, and jazzmen (with important exceptions including Kurt Rosenwinkel quoted above) go for clean tone. If you push it, the thin body will help you not to have a huge amount of feedback immediately, but I would not expect the raunchy and raw sound you get from an old-school single-coil like a P90. It does not look like it will sound similar to the ES-125 that's been posted above, for instance.

    Anyhoos, we're all quite curious by now! So if you get it do post pics AND clips!
     

  19. BigDaddyLH

    BigDaddyLH Telefied Ad Free Member

    The majority of thinlines are semi-hollow -- the most notable exception is the Casino.
     

  20. bottlenecker

    bottlenecker Friend of Leo's

    Dec 6, 2015
    Wisconsin
    That's the formula that gets the electric sound I want. To me, perfection.
     
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