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Jazz box with overdrive - how would it sound?

Discussion in 'Other Guitars, other instruments' started by perttime, Mar 3, 2018.

  1. perttime

    perttime Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 13, 2014
    Finland
    There's a cool guitar for sale not-too-far. But it is a thin-body archtop jazz box with a neck humbucker only.

    I don't usually enjoy clean jazz sound - so I was wondering what it could do with a touch of overdrive. Any thoughts or experiences?

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    I looked on youtube but the experimental clips that I found had people going crazy with distortion or fuzz. Not quite what I want. Also, high volume is not a goal, so feedback resistance is a non-issue.
     
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  2. max_twang

    max_twang Tele-Afflicted

    Nov 8, 2009
    New York
    It could sound like T Bone Walker or Ted Nugent or something completely different. Depends on how you use it. Lack of a bridge pickup could limit your tonal palate though.
     

  3. rainbowbear998

    rainbowbear998 Tele-Meister

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    Jul 11, 2016
    Sydney, Australia
    For a bluesy sound with a touch of breakup, it’d be perfect. Once you start throwing more gain on, you run into problems with feedback - particularly with all the low end that the neck pickup of a jazz box.
     
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  4. rainbowbear998

    rainbowbear998 Tele-Meister

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    Jul 11, 2016
    Sydney, Australia
    Also, for some examples of a hollowbody with a fair bit of gain, have a listen to a lot of Gary Clark junior’s stuff - a lot of it was recorded on his signature Epiphone casino.
     

  5. perttime

    perttime Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 13, 2014
    Finland
    Found a couple of clips that show some promise soundwise.



     

  6. radiocaster

    radiocaster Friend of Leo's

    Aug 18, 2015
    europe
    This guy goes through several settings, including neck pickup:
     
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  7. bottlenecker

    bottlenecker Friend of Leo's

    Dec 6, 2015
    Wisconsin
    This is what I use for my main instrument, except for the humbucker, and my sound is often overdriven, and usually more rock and roll than jazz. I don't like bridge pickups because they dampen the top near the bridge and make an archtop sound dead. I make sure I have an amp that can be bright enough to rock and roll on the neck pickup. It's not hard, but most people set up their amps for a bridge pickup. On a newer guitar meant for jazz, the pickup may be hard to get enough brightness from. It may need a paf if you're into humbuckers. I'd put a p90 style in it.
     
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  8. perttime

    perttime Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 13, 2014
    Finland
    I've been setting my amp for the bridge.... Then the neck can give an awesome richness, and there's big variety depending on where I pick.

    I looked for pickup specs, and the maker describes it as "Very reminiscent of a vintage PAF but with enhanced string definition".
     

  9. bottlenecker

    bottlenecker Friend of Leo's

    Dec 6, 2015
    Wisconsin
    My hollowbodies only have one pickup, so it's kind of the same as using just a bridge pickup. If I want a mellower sound I roll off the guitar's volume or tone knob.
    When I switch to my telecaster, I adjust the amp so I can use both pickups, and the neck pickup sounds jazzy.
     

  10. bottlenecker

    bottlenecker Friend of Leo's

    Dec 6, 2015
    Wisconsin
    Try the pickup, it might sound great. If you don't like it, there are a lot of options for a humbucker-sized space.
     

  11. Mjark

    Mjark Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

    Feb 14, 2011
    Annapolis, MD

  12. imwjl

    imwjl Poster Extraordinaire

    Only you can know for sure but I love my Collings when picking force takes the tone in and some dirt or overdrive. I use a 4 knob boost pedal to have that at modest volumes with my black face amp.

    There seems to be a dizzying array of pedals out there and some less than the Mesa but when I tried the Mesa it was really easy to get what I want and not lose bass or treble where I wanted it when some overdrive started. Also it was particularly nice for quickly liking the way Telecaster or humbucker guitar sounded. Way less tendency for some overdrive with my Telecaster but really nice fattening up the tone.

    P.S. Maybe you'll change what you think about that clean tone with the right guitar.


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  13. Paul in Colorado

    Paul in Colorado Telefied Ad Free Member

    Mar 17, 2003
    Fort Collins, CO
    Jerry Miller of Moby Grape. Gibson L-5 into a cranked Fender Tweed Bassman. Just a nice raw but warm sound you just don't hear that much anymore.

    I say do it!
     

  14. warrent

    warrent Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

    Sep 15, 2009
    toronto
    it can work really well
     

  15. kennl

    kennl Tele-Afflicted

    Feb 6, 2007
    Moon Township, PA
    Neck pickup on a hollow body can be a challenge for an OD pedal
    When the amp is set for a glorious clean tone, some overdrives sound better on a bridge pickup
    I primarily use the neck pickup, and my Rat clone stays at home when I take the hollow body
     

  16. Teleterr

    Teleterr Friend of Leo's

    Feb 7, 2011
    Lewes De.
    Alvin Lee of Ten Years After great Rock tone w a Hollow Body.
     

  17. perttime

    perttime Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 13, 2014
    Finland
    Listened to some Jerry Miller clips. Sounded great on neck pickup. Then the bridge pickup was on the trebly side - but he probably needed it for some songs with a large and loud band.

    The cool guitar isn't exactly cheap and She Who Must Be Obeyed might find out :eek:
     
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  18. jayyj

    jayyj Tele-Holic

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    Jul 13, 2014
    Manchester, UK
    Ted Nugent is a good example of a hard rock player using jazz guitar - those Byrdlands are high end carved top instruments.

    Izzy Stradlin sometimes played an ES175 with Guns n Roses.

    I mainly play indie and alternative but a few of my guitars fit into what the OP is thinking of. I have a Byrdland, a '69 that sounds awesome overdriven - really pokey and gutsy on the bridge pickup and very raw and gnarly on the neck. And I have a sweet little Gretsch Clipper with just a neck pickup - that does a bluesy overdrive that I suspect Jack White would approve of.

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  19. lammie200

    lammie200 Tele-Afflicted

    Jan 11, 2013
    San Francisco
    What is the guitar? This thread seems to be clouding the differences between truly hollow, hollow with a sound post, and semi hollow. Not to mention if semi-hollow is the body CNC machined or glued up back and sides? F-holes aren't always as functional as some people seem to make them out to be.
     

  20. perttime

    perttime Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 13, 2014
    Finland
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