This is my point exactly. Red has no clue what is patented, still licensed, or otherwise. Tweed Deluxe clones are being sold in ridiculous numbers, yet they are "still in production." Blackface circuitry too. The phase inverter designs of yesteryear make their way into a variety of circuits, yet no patent holders come forward with lawsuits. For this there are reasons, and Red has no clue what he is even talking about. He does not possess the knowledge of how this works legally, nor does he possess a basic understanding of electronics, which weighs into the subject of what is protected by law. His lofty, angry speech comes not from a place of understanding, but a place of ignorance, emotion, and preconception or should I say misconception. This was actually part of a lawsuit in the software world. The software itself could not be patented or copyrighted since it worked from typical software language (C+, and other basic software technology). Some folks put some of the actual software code of DVD encryption onto a t-shirt and a lawsuit was started based on copyright infringement, since patents and trademark infringement was simply not possible. The crazy people copyrighted the actual written code as if it were a book! The Pepsi logo, Fender log, and other things fall into a different category and are legally pursued. "Circuit stealing" is a rare lawsuit to even hear about. There are legal reasons for this. It is not illegal. It is not illegal to design your own circuit using common transistors and use capacitors and resistors to shape the effect for common guitar frequencies. The technology is too basic to even "innovate" in. In any case, this thread is ridiculous and Red has no working knowledge of the law nor electronics to understand anything, yet he chooses to witch hunt and argue. By the way Red, I have designed my own circuits. Something like that is not quantum physics, it is elementary and basic given how rudementary amp and effects circuits are. Perhaps you should ask 11 Gauge for some basics on how electronics work. As far as the legal rammifications, there are a few links worth reading, if you can read at all. Perhaps some actual knowledge would cool your jets. Does this forum have moderators? Perhaps I should go back to the dark ages of the Plexi Palace, the Gear Page, and Harmony Central, where intolerance and ignorance like this are all too common.