It's not that we're old; today's music really does suck.

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  1. Norris Vulcan

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    The current environment in the Music Industry is quite different to the 'old days'.

    According to the RIAA :
    150 streams of a song equals one paid download.
    Ten paid downloads equates to an album download.
    An artist’s music will have to be streamed on any of the services (Spotify, YouTube, etc) 1,500 times for an album “sale” to be counted.


    One artist who had a hit (1 million plays in 4 months) earned 0.02 Euro cents per play, he was paid 2,300 Euros (US$3,200) before tax.

    One calculation is it takes 279 plays on Spotify, or 776 on YouTube, to make $1.

    This isn't pessimistic, though. Music consumption is growing massively, so 1,500 streams = album sale is probably a bit low in reality.
     
  2. chris m.

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    Which is also why most professional musicians now have to make their living from touring, as well as other "side hustles" like merchandising and getting their music onto commercials.
    Streaming is just a form of marketing, and real lucre from album sales is limited to the superstars.

    I liked the KEXP clip, although the singer seriously looks like she needs to go into rehab. KEXP is a great source for finding excellent music in a wide variety of genres. Music nowadays is like
    going into a giant bookstore or library. There are so many choices that it helps to have someone guide you to stuff you will really like. The algorithms that do that-- "you liked that,
    so you might like this" are OK for finding stuff that is similar to what you've heard. But a human can point you to stuff that you never knew you would like until you heard it.

    Saw her on Rig Rundown. If you ever really want to feel sad, check her out---

     
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    Today's music doesn't suck any more than yesterday's music. Think back on all the one hit wonders. Maybe 5% of what we listened to in 1969 has endured. Ditto for 1979, 1989, 1999, 2009. Same for today. The big difference I see is that there is so much more music available now and it has become compartmentalized into subgenres. We don’t seem to like what other people like. I use TDPRI and YouTube as music sources. What's happened is that these sources have opened me up to more than just traditional country. With an open mind, there's plenty of good music to listen to and learn to play. YouTube has 60+ years of music in video format downloadable as mp3's. I can't possibly listen to everything that's available, new and old. IMO, we're in a golden age.
     
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  4. chris m.

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    In some ways it's a golden age for musicians, too. You don't have to convince a label to sign you in order to get your music out there.
    How many people end up listening to your music depends mostly on you-- the quality of your music and your willingness to get out
    there and market it using the new social media tools. And producing music is cheaper than ever. All you need is a bedroom, a laptop,
    a few good microphones, a pair of headphones, and at least one good musician.

    As in the past there's a certain amount of luck involved. If your music is really good, and you build up a big following, and it attracts
    the attention of the right person in the industry, then your music can go to a whole 'nother level. But if not, you might still be able
    to make a living at it.
     
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    I heard some guy on radio say the reason that todays music is so bad is beacause....all of the melodys and notes have already been played...it does seem lots of songs have been rehashed....:eek:
     
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    Yep, this exactly. There's still a lot of great stuff out there. But you have to show a little initiative to look for it, because no one's going to spoon-feed it to you.
    And I liked (and still do) a lot of "music of the previous generation", so does that mean "music of my generation", which is supposedly superior according to the OP, actually sucked too?
     
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    Oh great, another 'things were better in the olden days' thread.

    There's good music being made now, you just have to look for it instead of depending on having it supplied to you by radio stations.

    Cue 'it was better in the old days, radio stations played the good stuff'. Not in the UK, outside of 'specialist programmes' that aired in the evening they didn't. We had to look for it then too. Lulu, Mary Hopkin and the Cufflinks didn't really do it for me.
     
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    mindless sheep...great term..applicable all day...you just named a generation..the ones that knew better but chucked it in to follow...not even talkin music..
     
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    McArthur Park with its cake bollix is drivel, and Up, Up and Away is purest bubblegum. Either could have been written in 10 minutes by Bacharach and David on an off day.

    Just because they have hummable, hackneyed melodies doesn't mean that they're classics.
     
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    The only thing that is dead is the R/R lifestyle.....
    The "stars" of today that play something like what I call real music, have to tour all the time to make money.
    No one today can spend 3 months in a Chateau with their druggie hang-a-rounds just to make a record...
    It's just the way it is
    There is a lot of music out there today that is great , if we are prepared to listen. ..
    As a 53yo , I have my favorites from decades ago , off course I have, like most other people....
    I just can't understand all the people , at my age, or older than still only listen to the old stuff.....
    I respect that many of the old greats have a place in history..... But , I could live the rest of my life as a happy man without ever hearing them again , seriously.... .
     
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    And, I should add : My Dad and I could have lived on different planets as far as music was concerned
    All my kids, with their SOs were here for dinner tonight
    The young ones are going to a rather heavy festival, where my wife an I have no desire to attend.. .. .as it should be....
    But , we also plotted a lot of dates where we will be attending concerts and shows together
    Oh My , how things have changed, not always a bad thing!
     
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    Dang, you’d think I’m some kind of blowhard…

    For all I can tell, there are people amongst us who by a variety of means, learn to make sounds on instruments or with their own hands and/or voices, or by whatever means available. They learn to make sounds that are pleasing to their own ears and in varying degree, pleasing to the ears of others. When many, many others find these sounds pleasing, we call it “popular” music, regardless of style or substance.

    During the process of learning and performing, a number of these sound-making people become very proficient and skilled at what they do. IMO, we call these people musicians, regardless as to how many people find their efforts interesting, compelling or even melodic. Proficiency and skill are useful attributes, but not always necessary for commercial efforts of marketing sound reproduction.

    Large populations of humans, claiming some degree of civilization attempt to categorize these efforts, if only to make it easier to talk about it. Talking about it or writing about it is not the same thing as being a musician, although many talkers and writers would like you to think so – while recognizing, of course, that some musicians are also skilled writers and talkers.

    From what I’ve read, individuals who are skilled and proficient at sound making have been amongst the humans for thousands of years. It is only a relatively recent development that a certain number amongst the music makers have become able to provide food, clothing and shelter by being a music maker. An even more recent development is that the sums of money involved represent an equivalent or multiples of the gross national product of small nations.

    I like guitars. Playing a guitar is fun. There’s lots of good music out there, regardless of style, age or fashion. Always will be.

    I think a dead President put it better than I can: “The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here…”
     
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    Of course millennials know Classic Rock....because it's been shoved down their throats since birth. The musical gate keepers (who came of age in the 60s and 70s) have seen to it that all of the popular music recorded between 1960 and 1985 (give or take) will LIVE FOREVER and continuously be referred to as THE GREATEST MUSIC OF ALL TIME not because it's so good, but because it's a guaranteed money maker. Sure...The Beatles, Stones and Led Zeppelin are iconic, legendary bands that have a well-earned place in rock history, but does anyone still really have a reason to care about Boston, Styx or Foreigner? It's lazy, lowest common denominator crap programming, and young kids today can't escape it.

    Where I live we have 3 big Classic Rock radio stations. On the way home one day "Hotel California" was playing on all three of them simultaneously. It would've been funny if it wasn't such a reminder of what a crass and mindless place we've arrived at culturally.
     
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    "It is only a relatively recent development that a certain number amongst the music makers have become able to provide food, clothing and shelter by being a music maker."

    I have this theory that the golden age for musicians was before the invention of the phonograph. Before the phonograph, if you wanted good music, you needed actual musicians to play it. Could be just you
    and your family using your voices and household instruments, or it might be paid professionals. Every town had a town band.
    Every club had a house band or piano player as well as guest acts. You even needed a piano or organ
    player to play the sound track when you went to see a movie. So from sometime after development of large scale agriculture allowed for greater occupational specialization, until the invention
    of the phonograph, there were large numbers of both amateur and professional musicians.

    Luckily, there is still something special about live production of music in real time in front of a live audience, otherwise all musicians would be restricted to the studio.
     
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    Yeah, well I don't like having to look for music.
    I liked being told what was good and ordered what to listen to.
     
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    Where is the "dislike" button when you need one?
     
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    Here in the U.K. the last year or so back, we had one "pop artist" with 16 songs in the top 100, I mean just wtf is going on there. They had to re-write the rules for the charts just so it doesn't happen again. I started to have a listen to today's music, most of it seems to be written in a minor key. Come off it guys who wants depressing pop music, Pop music should be up beat. It should say " Its Friday night and i'm heading out, it now Sunday morning an I got my brains shagged out", instead of droning on about some being dumped and stalking your ex..
     
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    Yeah, that's what blues is for :D
     
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    Oh no man, Country& western is more along those lines!.then again man not all can be a raunchy as the "Immigrant song" from the 70's, but by fook modern music just makes my knitting droop..
     
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