It looks like I'm addicted to the bottle....

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    What do we do? It's almost embarrassing. These will be to future proof me - it'll mean I'll have a few NOS spares.

    Well, that's my excuse anyway...... o_O
     
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    Whenever I get the urge to add to my stash, I pull out my birth certificate and take a long look at it. It works, sometimes.
     
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    I've have a couple sets of tubes I still haven't tried.
     
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    You know those are reissues right? They are great though. All I use now.
     
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    I think those are genuine 60s Tungsram?
    Welded plate, double post halo getter, and little tag on the plate. I don't think any are manufactured like those these days?

    In any case, I've had some before, placebo or not, they're much better than anything modern I've tried.
     
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    That's what i'm hoping.... that should be the last ECC83 I should ever need......

    Will it work???
     
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    Errr.....

    Yeah, I should really try the last set of 6P14P EV I've bought too....... :lol:
     
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    They dont appear to be. The bottles on the reissues are fat like that. They barely fit into typical Fender tube shield bases. Modern boxes too. Priced about right for RI's also.
     
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    Could you give me links to the reissues you speak of?
    I haven't been able to trace a single modern vakve that looks like those inside. The boxes will be well old too - I've bought some before, some were RFT ECC83 too. The boxes rip easily, are all yellowed out and just aged. Like books from my grand dad's attic.
     
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    These are the reissues made at the Xpo-Pul (aka Reflektor) company, Russia.

    They sound pretty good for modern production, but are not the Made in Britain tubes...
     
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    Do you have any info on that?

    They would be fake as hell if they were made in Britain as well, they were normally German, also in the ebay listing.
     
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    I don't believe they are made in Britain, but made in Hungary.
    I believe they are old Tungsram due to the following features, which I haven't found in any modern produced valves:

    The double post halo getter, and the little metal tag on the plate:

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    Here, similar, but with a stapled plate, not a welded plate:

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    All other manufacturing detail seems t9 add up to Hungarian Tungsram as far as I can see, but if I need some education, please do!!!!:)

    At the end of the day, I pretty much paid regular prices for fantastic valves, so that wouldn't be the end of the world.
     
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    RSD was a rebrander, like TAD, groove tubes and the likes. They still operate today. They didn't make valves, but sold east european valves rebranded RSD.

    They use to sell RFT quite a bit, and from what I think, hungarian Tungsram.
     
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    There are two reissue versions:
    http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...0001&campid=5338148343&icep_item=163170478339

    http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-5...0001&campid=5338148343&icep_item=142145107520
     
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    This may help. Not sure how many different styles of vintage Mullards there were. I have a couple of the one on the left in the pics.
    Ebay sellers love to show RI's on ads and not say so, hoping people will jump thinking they are getting a bargain on NOS. (not a judgement on yours, you can decide what you actually got!) :D
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    Hey, thanks, you're a star.

    I understand what you guys were saying now - you thought I was thinking I got NOS mullard.

    That's not the case - I think I got some Hungarian made Tungsram, made prior to 1962/1963 when they switched the stapled plate construction.

    Your links have been extra helpful. I've done some more research too.

    The mullard reissue have rounded mica (like sovteks) the valves I've bought have pointy star shaped like mica.

    The mullard reissue have single bars across in terms of ribbing, mine have vertical and horizontal ribbing. The getter is different (big and round On the valves I bought, and stoutly supported by 2 arms form either side of the valve. On the reissue mullard, the getter support looks te be wire thin, like on the Sovtek (slightly different though).

    The grid on the valves I bought is made from copper rods too, and they stick out of the top mica, again the colour of the grid rods is different on mullard reissues.

    Lastly, for now, that square metal tag on the side of the plate is unique to Hungarian Tungsram. I don't know of another manufacturer that used that feature in their valves. In the 70s, I believe that little tag made its way to one of the 2 arms supporting the getter.

    Generally, that tag on the plate means 60s or earlier, though I think those are early 60s. Tungsram used a sliver plate in the late 50 before to switch to the grey plates found in the valves I've bought.


    Again, I understand what some of you thought was the issue- I didn't think I was buying a rebranded British mullard at all.

    By the way, that mullard ri looks very much like a sovtek..... minor differences, but the Saratov plant lineage is obvious.
     
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    You can see the “made in Russia”... clearly from Reflektor.
     
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