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Is this the minwax nitro lacquer?

Discussion in 'Finely Finished' started by papaschtroumpf, Jul 15, 2017.

  1. papaschtroumpf

    papaschtroumpf Tele-Meister

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  2. watercaster

    watercaster Tele-Meister

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    Sure looks like Nitro to me, although I don't recall ever using this one. Thins with lacquer thinner, recoats every 30 like nitro, not for use on floors like nitro...I'd call it nitro. I think this six pack should do the items you have no problem. The cans look pretty beefy.
     

  3. papaschtroumpf

    papaschtroumpf Tele-Meister

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    Thanks, ordered a 6-pack.
    This is a low cost build, so I didn't want to go with ReRanch/Stewmac, and since I don't own a compressor and gun, my options are limited.
     

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  5. sfcmark

    sfcmark Tele-Meister

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    Apr 17, 2011
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    It's the same Minwax lacquer I used. I verified it's nitro from the data sheet on the Minwax site. Next time check your local Wally World. I got it there for $6.48 a can, if memory serves, and I'm sure my local Home Despot stocks it in the store for under that $9/can price.
     

  6. papaschtroumpf

    papaschtroumpf Tele-Meister

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    Nov 24, 2015
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    I checked Walmart, Home Depot, Lowes and Ace. Most could order it but none had it local. Since I am working on 2 guitars I guess I don't mind getting the 6 pack. I may even be able to return individual unused cans at HD if decide to.

    Thanks for confirming it's the right stuff.
     

  7. Silverface

    Silverface Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

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    All of the products commonly available at retail labeled "lacquer" in aerosol cans are relatively similar acrylic/nitro blends. The only significantly different brand is Deft, which tends to have a very extended cure time.

    Virtually none found in a retail outlet like HD will be pure "nitro" - that's a specialty product found in very limited quantities - and you wouldn't want to use it. "Nitro" dries FAR too stiff for guitar work.

    99% of solvent-based lacquers have been acrylic/nitrocellulose blends since the 1920's. "Acrylic" often does not appear on MSDS because it is not a hazardous ingredient.
     
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  8. R. Stratenstein

    R. Stratenstein Doctor of Teleocity

    Aug 3, 2010
    Loganville, Ga.
    I have used this product on guitars, with good success. It may create a slightly softer finish than other lacquers I've used, love Behlen's Stringed Instrument Lacquer, but they'll all scratch if you handle them roughly, hey?
     

  9. The Ballzz

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    Find a Mohawk distributor near you. Most of them are set up to put the product into rattle cans for you and even tint/color it to your preference, or you could simply get the product in quarts/gallons and use it in a PreVal sprayer! Go with their "Classic Instrument Lacquer" or as some prefer their "Piano Lacquer." Once you start using your own clear to make your own tints & colors, the options become endless! And yes, the PreVal things work pretty darned well!

    http://www.mohawk-finishing.com/find-a-distributor.aspx

    http://www.homedepot.com/p/Preval-9-oz-Complete-Spray-Gun-267/202533738

    Just My $.02,
    Gene
     
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  10. papaschtroumpf

    papaschtroumpf Tele-Meister

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    I've heard mixed reviews about the preval sprayer but have never used it myself.
    I was looking at Mohawk but since their web site says nothing about getting it in a can, I moved on. I might check then out again if I need a tinted lacquer.
     

  11. jgriffin

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    Preval's are fine but they get cold and start to spit just like a regular spray can. I wouldn't use them to do a whole guitar unless it was a solid or clear.
     

  12. The Ballzz

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    And also, "just like a regular spray can" if you immerse the vessel/jar of finish in fairly warm water before spraying, you'll be fine for a "three pass coat" on a guitar. Just remember to NOT shake the PreVal like a rattle can or turn it upside down to clear the nozzle. FWIW, I keep a little jar of lacquer thinner to drop the nozzle into in between coats.
    Just Sayin'
    Gene
     

  13. jgriffin

    jgriffin TDPRI Member

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    I learned about the warm water trick post Preval. I tried to do a candy apple red with Reranch and warm water. That was the day I bought a compressor and gun. Isn't the Preval canister the part that gets cold and not the jar? Or does warming the paint itself prevent the canister from freezing up?
     

  14. sfcmark

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  15. papaschtroumpf

    papaschtroumpf Tele-Meister

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    Interesting. I looked for instrument lacquer and only saw it listed in "bucket" containers.
    Bookmarked for future reference.
     

  16. The Ballzz

    The Ballzz Tele-Holic

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    Yes, and if you find a Mohawk distributor, they will typically color your lacquer to your choice and put it up in rattle cans for you! There are two in Denver under the name "Warp Speed Woodworking Supply":

    http://www.mohawk-finishing.com/find-a-distributor.aspx

    Just My $.02,
    Gene
     

  17. Kennedycaster

    Kennedycaster Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 5, 2009
    Mesa, AZ
    I use Mohawk products exclusively on a daily basis in my furniture restoration business. I've tried allot of other commercial brands & none of them compare to Mohawk in terms of the amount of products offered & customer service. I have not found a better quality product either. They are a fantastic company to deal with & are very friendly to luthiers. They offer all of their lacquers, sealers & toners in aerosol cans as well as bulk. Their aerosols spray beautifully. I use them for touch ups & repairs. They are less expensive than anything you can find in the stores. Much better quality too. Want a more durable nitrocellulose finish? Use their pre-catalyzed lacquer. By the way, Minwax lacquer has been acrylic for the last few years. The updated MSDS reflects that.

    Bob
     

  18. papaschtroumpf

    papaschtroumpf Tele-Meister

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    Thanks, I didn't know what the document name was. After Googling it and matching to the part number (15200) the MSDS published less than 2 months ago is:

    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...ggiMAE&usg=AFQjCNH95PRNKpYmnluNDoSCNHxob8Zh4w

    The list of ingredients is:

    Acetone
    n-Butyl Acetate
    Propane
    Butane
    Methanol
    Cellulose Nitrate
    2-Propanol

    Since the main solid in the formulation is Nitro, I'll call it good enough for this project.
     

  19. Kennedycaster

    Kennedycaster Tele-Afflicted

    Apr 5, 2009
    Mesa, AZ
    Ah, they changed it again. Two months ago, wow. Last time I checked a year or two ago, cellulose nitrate wasn't present. It caused quite a stink in this forum. It doesn't really matter much though. Acrylic won't yellow as much. The Minwax lacquer has always been a good choice for store bought lacquer. Dries hard. Rather quickly too.
     

  20. Flakey

    Flakey Friend of Leo's

    Or you can switch out the air can between passes. I've done bursts with them. Short fast movements building color shooting at angle across the surface is the key for that.
     
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  21. Boomhauer

    Boomhauer Friend of Leo's

    Aug 18, 2013
    Michigan
    I've actually spoken with the paint shop that used to supply Gibson when they were in Kalamazoo, and they still sell the same blend of lacquer that was used back in the day...it can only be sold in 5 gallon buckets, bulk style. Though, they can fill spray cans if you purchase in a 5 gallon quantity.
     

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