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Is this a good piece of maple

Discussion in 'Tele Home Depot' started by Marn99, Sep 28, 2017.

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  1. Marn99

    Marn99 Tele-Meister

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    I was looking for a neck blank to go with my quartersawn cocobolo fingerboard and I dug this up out of the pile. Would you all consider this neck blank worthy of a cocobolo fingerboard?
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  2. Blue Bill

    Blue Bill Friend of Leo's Ad Free + Supporter

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    That looks beautiful.
     
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  3. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Doctor of Teleocity Vendor Member

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    actually . . it's perfect.... shape the neck so the curved grain faces the back of the neck.... and align it so the truss rod will be aligned down the center of the grain's curve...

    rk
     
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  4. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Doctor of Teleocity Vendor Member

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    just to reenforce the quality of that piece.. I would take that cut of lumber's ability to resist any and all machinations time, environment, and misuse can bring upon a piece of wood, over one made of quarter sawn lumber...

    that piece of wood is perfect...

    rk
     
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  5. John Owen

    John Owen Tele-Afflicted Silver Supporter

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    Can't get a much better endorsement than that! Start shaping.
     

  6. Vizcaster

    Vizcaster Friend of Leo's

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    Yes but shift or flip the alignment of your template according to Ron's recommendations - don't just select the area with the closest lines.

    Ron, when you say "curved grain faces the back of the neck" do you mean in the photo above the OP's thumb is on the back and the forefinger is on the fretboard side?
     
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  7. mtorn

    mtorn Tele-Meister

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    Yep, that looks great.
    One thought - make sure that it's "hard maple" (not a real species, I know), and not some kind of soft maple.
    You probably already know what you have there, but for the times when I don't I like to stick my fingernail into the wood, to see if I can make much of a dent. It's a very scientific Janka measurement...

    If you haven't worked with cocobolo before, one note. For me, it's by far the most irritating wood I've worked on for my respiratory system. Just one cut, or a little sanding, and I feel nose and throat discomfort. So wear some kind of dust mask.
    For all its beauty, I've stopped using cocobolo.
     
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  8. Steve Holt

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    Cocobolo does the same to me. So I stopped using it.
     
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  9. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Doctor of Teleocity Vendor Member

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    the reverse... the "thumb" side should be the fingerboard side...

    to get a feel of what the curved grain can do.. take an ordinary retractable tape measure, ya know the ones with the curved blade..... run it out a few feet... with the concave side up feel the resistance to "buckling"... now turn it over... all it takes is gravity to cause it to buckle..

    the curved grain offers the same kind of strength and being symmetrical with the geometry of the neck any bending that results from normal use will be well within the ability of normal adjustments to correct...

    NOW/..this does not mean any neck NOT having the same grain structure is inferior.... it only means for those that obsess over the "best" resistance to the bending flexing, etc., that can show up on a neck.. there is no better grain pattern period.

    You guys do NOT run out and buy a new neck... wait until you play out all the "good tunes" in the one you have... :p


    rk
     
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  10. Steve Holt

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    Ron, thanks for this, I was also confused by your first statement about which way the grain should face, but that makes all the sense in the world now!
     
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  11. Marn99

    Marn99 Tele-Meister

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    yep, it is Acer saccharum! I bought the cocobolo about a year ago. here is a pic of it :)
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  12. Marn99

    Marn99 Tele-Meister

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    Alright, Here is my plan for this neck and fingerboard. Cocobolo fingerboard with paua abalone position markers and side dots (1/4th and 3/32nd inch, respectively) with a 2 piece swamp ash body, either unaged blonde nitro or clear gloss nitro, a black 5 hole bakelite pickguard, heel adjusted single action truss rod, and flat top knobs.
     

  13. highwaycat

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    Ron is this an example of curved grain?
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  14. Ronkirn

    Ronkirn Doctor of Teleocity Vendor Member

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    can't tell except from a shot of the end grain.. you need a shot like this to tell .. and for those wondering what's gong on in that shot.. this is a great way to tell if your neck is twisted.... if so the two sticks wouldn't be parallel..

    with the grain as seen in this neck, it would be darn near impossible for the neck to twist... the neck can only bend one way, within the scope of the applied tension, and that way is the way you want it to, it's controllable.


    Warning.. DO NOT start requesting that specific cut... that would escalate the cost of the neck significantly.. and I'm not gonna entertain such.. it would just a royal PITA to sort through all the lumber looking for a neck with a specific grain that in reality gains ya nothing...

    all of this stuff about wood grain direction and stability discussions are purely academic.

    They mean nothing in the real world at the tensions applied to the guitar once strung up and tuned.. for any neck to warp, or twist it must be subject to abnormal and/or extraordinary conditions... always keeping in mind.. Murphy is lurking, ready to pounce... But take care of your guitar and it will take care of you, assuming you are talented enough of a guitarist for it to worry about you...:p If you don't care about you, why should your guitar? :confused:

    ANY neck can surprise ya.. ALL of them.. however, the reality that such will "strike" you 'n your guitar is as rare and isolated as it always has been..with any cut of lumber...

    From 1950 - 1965, Leo didn't give a hoot about the grain pattern, and look at all those great wonderful guitars still out there, still rockin'.. free of any of the maladies y'all seem consumed with preventing. Fuggidaboudit... practice instead...

    And if Leo didn't worry about it, you KNOW CBS didn't . . and if it was on FMIC's radar, and they were doing anything as a predicate, it would be mentioned in their advertising... so... the only people that give it a thought are those that have bought the quarter-sawn stability nonsense "bait" Hook, line, 'n sinker..

    Guys .. always keep this in mind.. IF a guitar maker ever actually discovers ANY manufacturing process, application, grain anything that actually, really, means cack in the performance of the guitar, 1, they will patent it immediately, 2, they will begin promoting it with fervor in any and all media available.. and 3, the "A" Listers will be embracing it at light speed... and promoting it.. for a modest promotional fee... ;) Why?

    Because the guitar market is viciously competitive... with virtually NO place to incorporate any real changes.. NONE... Today, Guitar innovation is like a chess game with each player down to one pawn... there's a hell of a lotta places to go, but, none of 'em mean a darn thing.. no one's advancing toward a positive end, in any way, shape or form.. Guys, the guitar is done... anyone can add computer cack.. but to me, that no longer a guitar, it's an input peripheral.. Ya really wanna Logitec guitar?

    My point in all of this is.. don't pay for a "special" cut of wood thinking you're now safe within a "bubble of protection" you're spending money for nuthin..

    If ya wanna more "stable" neck get one with a two piece construction.. that is, one with a separate fingerboard.. and the fatter it is, the better you are.. you guys that want necks thinner than a Politicians explanation, you're asking for it...You're begging for it... a Politician's explanation generally have NO support, other 'n a sh*t eatin' grin... the same as a skinny neck..

    And necks in the .750 range.. man.. that's as risky as wearing a T-shirt that sez, "Ray Charles got no soul", Or. , , "James Jamerson, on bass, Man that guy can't play." in Motown ... :eek: how fast can ya run the 100m? :D

    Ron

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  15. TRexF16

    TRexF16 Friend of Leo's

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    Not to be argumentative, but I don't think it is a problem if the neck is soft maple if you're doing a separate really hard fretboard like Cocobolo.
    My two cents, but it has worked well for me.

    Rex
     
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