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Is anybody done with the Tube vs SS thread wars?

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by Wrong-Note Rod, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. musicalmartin

    musicalmartin Poster Extraordinaire

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    Norfolk UK
    I bought a DV Mark Little Jazz .An SS amp that more than does what it says on the label.I use it at home and on jazz nights .For more than cleans I stick a Joyo American sound in front .I do love tube amps and at full song with a good speaker they are great but also too loud .Still fancy a Marshall DSL5 or a Laney LC15 and rock my socks off for some odd reason but common sense prevails .I do have a Champion 40 SS which is fine but the 12 inch speaker carries the sound in my house.An 8 inch on the DV mark gets far fewer moans and still fills a people packed bar on just over 12 oclock .
     
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  2. teletimetx

    teletimetx Poster Extraordinaire Gold Supporter

    Jul 25, 2011
    Houston, TX

    the photo actually reminded me of one of my opinions - it's dogs that taught humans how to smile - not the other way around...
     
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  3. burntfrijoles

    burntfrijoles Friend of Leo's

    Feb 12, 2010
    Jacksonville
    I recently posted an "I'm done" article of faith. I've done it before but you know what they say "the path to hell is paved with good intentions".
    To be sure, I still sound like me (unfortunately) but my decision to go with modeling was purely practical and self serving. I am not claiming that it is equal to the sound of a good tube amp but it's close enough for my needs. I didn't achieve tone nirvana with the new setup just a ton of convenience and a much wider variety of tones than I could get with my setup.
    I tried to go the boutique amp route and got a Morgan. It was the finest amp I've ever played, harmonically rich and clear as a bell but it had it's own character which was great but not versatile enough for my tastes.
    I simply have grown weary of the chase. A new pedal, amp or guitar is not going to improve my tone. I like my current setup of a SE PRRI (12" Jensen), KoT, and Flashback delay. I can throw in a foundation pedal or two to give it a more Marshall or Tweed tone but essentially my sound is that PRRI with the KoT (could probably have been just as happy with the Timmy as well).
    "I am done" with acquiring new amps and pedals. I am going to spend more time playing and less time chasing gear. To be honest my new Helix is probably overkill but it provides ease of use, economy of space and "close enough" tones for me. I think it (and the Kemper, Fractal, etc) are all overhyped but they are good at what they do.
    So, in summary, I haven't found tone nirvana, I've just found something that meets my needs.
     
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  4. Endless Mike

    Endless Mike Friend of Leo's

    Nov 2, 2016
    Arlington, Texas
    Cats and opinions. I'll believe it. Yeah, you'll get no argument from me about dogs teaching humans to smile. Dogs are better than most people you'll meet.
     
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  5. Wrong-Note Rod

    Wrong-Note Rod Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

    Mar 4, 2009
    atlanta
    Ha! I cant believe this thread is still going.

    AND its turned into exactly what I wasnt wanting... yet another SS vs toob throwdown.

    Its like I wanted to create a Marilyn Monroe clone and wound up with Boris Karloff.

    Anyway, y'all have at it. I spoke my piece, I have no intention of selling all my stuff to go the SS modeling route, thats entirely too much trouble; and what I have is fine and would be great if I just practiced more often....

    if you did, great, enjoy.
     

  6. Southpole

    Southpole Tele-Holic

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    Apr 10, 2014
    WellingtonNZ
    I’m welded to my tube amps. But there are some superb SS amps out there. A friend of mine has an AER compact 40 acoustic amp. This is an amazing amp and we use it for all sorts of things it wasn’t intended for. Made in Germany and so not cheap. Massive headroom for 40W SS.
     

  7. swampyankee

    swampyankee Tele-Meister Silver Supporter

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    Feb 5, 2015
    Southeastern MA
    I seem to have made a career of buying and using oddball amps that were panned by the critics.
    S.s. Deluxe 112: Universally hated by tube purists. Bandmaster VM : A Fender marketing failure, not a real Bandmaster, bad drive channel. CVR: noisy, bad reverb. Pro Tube Concert Amp: fizzy, unusable drive channel.
    But I've been able to find decent tones and giggable amps in each one, critics be damned.
     

  8. Jupiter

    Jupiter Telefied Silver Supporter

    Jun 22, 2010
    Osaka, Japan
    Again, I've read every post, and it seems to me that this thread is mostly NOT that...
     
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  9. Zeonoid

    Zeonoid Tele-Meister

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    If we are talking about MUSIC not gearporn is thats what I`m saying here all the time... I know guys with chinese strats that have an album released and on the other side I know GAS syndrom victims that are just like casino players betting and masturbating about the gear

    If I would painter I`d say: Its about creativity, emotional quality and inteligence not about amount of colours
     
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  10. Frodebro

    Frodebro Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    Aug 17, 2012
    Seattle

    You can also use the Helix as a virtual pedalboard into the front of your PRRI, using just the drive pedals and effects with no amp/cab blocks. Just be sure to set the output level to instrument (on the Helix).
     

  11. MDent77

    MDent77 Tele-Holic

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    Jun 13, 2016
    New England
    I used "discerning" in the most specific sense. Prejudicial to a certain extent.

    Some Pros made livings touring with Ovations. Enough said...

    The advancement with the two listed {Kemper and Axe-FX II} is outstanding. (example). (Again, with the addition of a quality monitor pushing some air - for live situations it's amazing such technology exists.)


    Many tube amps will always be beloved. Some technological developments are not a knock on them.
     
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  12. 1300 E Valencia

    1300 E Valencia Tele-Afflicted

    Dec 13, 2010
    Fullerton CA
    I imagine the correct response to "I hate ABC, because now I XYZ", is "Good for you... Just as long as you don't pass a law so I have to like it, too." This works in so many areas of life.

    "As you all know, you can't believe everything you see and hear, now, can you?"
    - Paul Caruso
     
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  13. 3-Chord-Genius

    3-Chord-Genius Friend of Leo's

    Apr 3, 2015
    Winchester, VA
    This will continue for a few years before solid state/digital is accepted by the masses. It's kind of like the "speed vs. feeling" debate that emerged in the 1980's when fast players started appearing. "He plays too fast, he has no feeling...", which we all know is total B.S. since people play with "feeling" at any speed, which is why that whole argument is pretty much dead now. It was started by people who cannot play fast, just as the tube vs. solid state debate was started by those hangers-on of tube amps.

    We need to invent a new kind of debate. How about solid state vs. lacquer?
     
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  14. Dobronaut

    Dobronaut Tele-Meister

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    I use SS for the gig - light, portable, and reliable.
    I use valves for home - it doesn't matter if the damn things breakdown.

    And just to throw a spanner in the works - if valves are so good, why do so few pedals have them?
     

  15. 3fngrs

    3fngrs Tele-Afflicted

    Oct 30, 2017
    Ohio
    Lacquer...

    Through an all tube Fender or Marshall!
     
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  16. Southpole

    Southpole Tele-Holic

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    Apr 10, 2014
    WellingtonNZ
    I saw a pic recently of a Matchless amp with all the cabinet panels replaced with Perspex. Just looked like an invisible amp! That’s got to upset someone!
     

  17. soulman969

    soulman969 Telefied Ad Free Member

    Mar 20, 2011
    Englewood, CO
    I'm not sure why there should even be a battle to begin with. Each has it's strong points and advantages and each has it's best use. Why not have and play both if you like?

    In over 50 years of playing I've yet to find a "one size fits all" amp, guitar, or bass.
     

  18. dlew919

    dlew919 Poster Extraordinaire

    Aug 6, 2012
    Sydney
    I used a solid state for 25 years. Fender M80. I relaxed it with a fender champion. Didn’t like it. So got a Blues jr. Love it.

    But play through a sans amp as much as I can.

    Less lugging. That’s my aim.
     

  19. 3fngrs

    3fngrs Tele-Afflicted

    Oct 30, 2017
    Ohio
    Because if we all agreed on everything it would be boring.

    "I like tube and solid state amps."
    "So do I"
    "Well, ok then."

    That's why I make it a policy to never agree with anybody about anything. Even myself! Gets a little confusing to disagree with people who disagree with each other but hey! Better than being boring!
     

  20. pondcaster

    pondcaster Poster Extraordinaire

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    Nov 29, 2010
    Tryon, NC

    Could not disagree more!
     
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