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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by uriah1, Mar 11, 2018.
If you're going to sport the baby blue and orange, it really should be a Ford...
Little know "trivia" / fact? about Steve McQueen ... this first-hand from an old(er) guy that informed me. This guy knew McQueen ... raced with him, and against him, in desert motorcycle races, such as the "Barstow-To-'Vegas" race.
The guy reports McQueen was pretty-much an "A-hole", in real life.
His "coolness" was a result of the characters he played in motion-pictures.
Oh, well ....
~ Pappy ~
There's much more depth to Formula 1.
Vastly varying tracks, many different possible strategies thanks to the large selection of tires, more freedom to develop the car (as far as I know).
Now, I've never seriously watched IndyCar so I'm probably biased but that's what I think.
I also think F1 cars look better.
There was such as race ... at Monza, Italy. At the old Autodromo (I believe). Late 1950s. Jimmy Bryan won. Don't recall the F1 guys. Fangio was there ... maybe, Ascari ? Rodriguez bros? Phil Hill? Von Tripps? Moss?
~ Pappy ~
I like to think that, given an empty track and a few hours of training, I could get an IndyCar around an oval like Indianapolis without crashing. But I am quite confident in my belief that I could NEVER complete a lap on an F1 circuit in an F1 car.
Yes "The Race of Two Worlds" they brought the big Indy Roadsters over to Monza and used the banking (long since removed from use) that was already controversial due to speeds that the tires of the time were unable to safely maintain; the race was run in heats which basically wore the cars (including a couple from Jaguars LeMans/WSC team), and drivers out with only a few still running at the end. It was such a mess that of course they repeated it the next year..
Quite possibly the most beautiful race car ever made Gurney Weslake Eagle V-12
Dan won the F1 race at Spa in 1967 in this car.
I always thought that this is what F-1 was all about ... pushing the envelope and thinking outside the box with an unlimited budget. I guess it actually won in Sweden.
As David Hobbs would say, "to drive one of these cars at speed, a driver needed a large set of...attachments."
I got a treat once while at Sears Point. During midday intermission, David Hobbs drove a brand new stock BMW (this was around 1980, so maybe a 7 series sedan) for a few laps. There is a certain road race skill level that few ever achieve, but he definitely got it. Pushing a stock suspension and tires (I assume) heavy sedan through that course was a lesson in itself. Fun times.
I got a ride in a mini-van around the track at Indy, with A.J. Foyt driving. When we hit 80mph someone in the back said "didn't they say to keep it under 60?". A.J replied I'm A.J. Foyt I drive this place any damned way I want and proceeded to hammer it down. An overloaded mini van leaning way over with tires screaming, A.J. laughing and the asphalt inches from your window is pretty thrilling.
This reminds me of a joke:
A famous race car driver dies and goes to heaven. St. Peter escorts him to the driver heaven section, where all the greats are having a perpetual race on a heavenly track. The new arrival looks out on the track and sees cars driven by Fangio, Clark, Senna, etc. Then he sees a car adorned with AJ Foyt’s livery.
Puzzled, he turns to St. Peter and says “But Foyt’s not dead!?”
St. Peter replies, “Oh, that’s not Foyt. It’s God — He just thinks he’s Foyt”.
I'm not a racing fan, per se, but like jazz and baseball, the personalities involved with auto racing have always been interesting to me.
And the top class at LeMans reminds me of watching Speed Racer as a fiver year old.
Says a racer who raced against him.
LMP cars are pretty quick, I believe he is up around 300kph through the first corner in this clip and the driver finished the session with broken ribs from the G forces.
I run out of testicular fortitude at around 200 in the same spot, lack of aero and power doesn't help in my case
I see 22 people say something nice about a deceased guy..........
Then 1 person says something negative, and we're supposed to forget the other 22 ever existed.
Being a "star" has to be a pain in the neck sometimes. Only a Saint is gonna be in the mood to be nice to every single person they cross paths with.
Thanks for the clarification. The article I read was about 40 years ago.
All I remember is that Gurney offered $1,000,000 to any F1 team that could beat him at Nurburgring, and nobody stepped up. As I recall at the time, the F1 guys thought about their massive horsepower disadvantage and decided they couldn't compete. The Indy car was expected to do well enough on the braking and handling and have a huge speed advantage. They can blame the tire guys if they want, but the tail doesn't wag the dog. They could have gotten tires if they wanted to run. That was a huge amount of money at the time, equivalent to about $6,500,000 today.
Don't dismiss the tire issue. Tire sponsorship at that level of racing is crazy money. Even with my BIL SCCA racing, tire sponsorship was the most important factor, but at the Indy and F-1 level, a huge amount of time at the track off season is testing new tire compound developments and completely different compounds depending on the specific track.
Here the brief version of the FIA regulations:
Pirelli produce seven specifications of dry-weather tyre, each with a distinguishing sidewall colour – hypersoft (pink), ultrasoft (purple), supersoft (red), soft (yellow), medium (white), hard (blue), superhard (orange).
At each race the teams have access to three specifications (or compounds) of these dry-weather tyres.
Each car’s full race weekend allocation consists of 13 sets of dry-weather tyres, four sets of intermediate tyres and three sets of wet tyres.
No less than nine weeks before the start of each event in Europe, and 15 weeks before the start of each event held outside Europe, Pirelli (in consultation with the FIA) will inform the team which three compounds can be used at each race.
"Hypersoft" is new this year. The ultrasoft tires ("tyres") feel like dried rubber cement, so I can't even fathom how "hypersofts" will hold up for more than a few laps. But drivers like Bottas can milk an impossible number of laps out of ultrasofts where others get maybe 12-15 laps - half that if trying to overtake and in another car's "draft" (a bad thing in F1, as opposed to Nascar) which can overheat the tires very quickly.
If you look at close-up pictures of tires in "parc ferme" after a race they look like gumballs with pieces of old cloth coat hanging out. They look completely undriveable.