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I met an old friend, got a surprise

Discussion in 'Vintage Tele Discussion Forum (pre-1974)' started by Rollmeaway, Jun 6, 2017.

  1. Rollmeaway

    Rollmeaway TDPRI Member

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    Fayetteville, NC
    I usually hang out at the sister forum Squier-Talk. I thought this might be interesting to post here. I'll cut and paste the basics but here is a link to that post:

    https://www.squier-talk.com/threads/met-an-old-friend-found-a-surprise.122583/

    So, on the way home from the hospital in Augusta, I stopped off near Myrtle Beach to see an old childhood friend that I haven't seen since I was on life support in the ICU almost 30 years ago.

    So we're talking about how I got back into playing, restoring and modding guitars and he pulls this out:

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    I only spent a few hours at Bobby's house and he was hesitant to let me pull the neck to check for date/ID stamps. From the rest of the guitar and some research, I think it's a 1971 Tele. Almost untouched, in it's original Fender case. He does not play and had a story about the guitar's origin which sounds kind of fishy. Apparently, he knew a guy who worked at Fender by the name of DeStefano or DiStephano Joe or Anthony. (My friend had an incident with a blood blockage to the brain and fell into a coma with some brain function loss)

    Anyway this guitar was supposed to be one of two made for Eric Clapton. Clapton took the other one and Bobby's friend gave him this one in trade for some restoration work on the guy's house. Bobby claimed he had some paperwork backing up this assertion but misplaced it. Coincidentally, Clapton played a guitar almost identical to this guitar at the Blind Faith concert at Hyde Park in 1969. Although that guitar was alleged to have the neck from his "Brownie" Strat installed on it. (you can see this concert on YouTube) Anyway here is a little guitar porn of the old guitar:
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  2. Henry

    Henry Tele-Holic Ad Free + Supporter

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    Jan 2, 2012
    Australia
    Great story.
    Thanks for your service.
    Thanks for posting.
     
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  3. Rollmeaway

    Rollmeaway TDPRI Member

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    A bit more:
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    The metal parts have some oxidation on them but this guitar has been unplayed except for a little strumming when he first got it. The frets and fretboard are pristine. Zero wear. What a joy it was to hold this closet queen for the few hours I spent with him. I hope to go down and talk him into letting me pull the neck so I can see any date stamps on the neck and pocket.

    I hope y'all enjoy the story and the pics.

    Danny...
     

  4. SecretSquirrel

    SecretSquirrel Tele-Holic

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    Jul 2, 2015
    PNW USA
    Thrilling discovery! Thanks for sharing the great photos and story.
     
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  5. mgreene

    mgreene Tele-Meister

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    Jan 27, 2010
    south carolina
    You should have stopped by my house - outside Augusta - I could have shown you a much less interesting tele :)

    I'll post up my partscaster one day. Looks plain but sounds amazing.
     
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  6. rob2

    rob2 Tele-Meister

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    Apr 25, 2009
    Cork,Ireland
    Stunning...thanks for sharing this !!
     
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  7. tery

    tery Friend of Leo's

    Sep 21, 2012
    Tennessee
    What a treasure !
     
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  8. Stubee

    Stubee Poster Extraordinaire

    Jan 22, 2007
    Mid-Michigan
    That is a really cool guitar regardless of what it actually is.
     

  9. 24 track

    24 track Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

    Nov 6, 2014
    kamloops bc
    very nice, great story too, you can never get enough guitar porn!
     
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  10. Rollmeaway

    Rollmeaway TDPRI Member

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    I was hoping the fine folks of this forum would have any observations, opinions or anything of a technical nature to lend pertaining to this guitar.

    Eventually, Bobby is going to sell it. He does not play guitar at all. He wants me to help. I'm not in such good health that I can run around doing this. What would be a good first step to take in his endeavor?

    Thanks y'all, Danny...
     

  11. Strum und Twang

    Strum und Twang Tele-Meister

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    Sep 4, 2011
    Amarillo, TX
    Why pull the neck? I'd leave it together.... I suspect you can get close enough on the date via neck plate and headstock logo.
     
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  12. TELECASTERbstrd

    TELECASTERbstrd Tele-Afflicted

    Oct 13, 2004
    Hill Country TEXAS
    I would like you to pull the neck and see if there is a green stamp!
     
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  13. Rollmeaway

    Rollmeaway TDPRI Member

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    Thanks, That is one point of view never mentioned yet. Most have said they would want to see the neck heel and pocket stamps before laying down a significant amount of hard earned cash before buying it. Also to see if the truss rod is OK.

    I plan to get down there to properly put some fresh strings on it. I don't know if it needs a truss rod adjustment or not.

    Besides that, some of the metal parts are kind of oxidized. Should they be left alone and just wipe the guitar clean? In other words would taking the natural patina off detract from a guitar like this?

    I have never messed with an older and considerably valuable guitar before. My thing is buying cheap used Squiers, pulling them apart, cleaning and repairing them and re-purposing them. Modifying them in some instances. I do this in my retirement as a hobby and to keep me from going nuts.
     

  14. orangeblossom

    orangeblossom Tele-Afflicted

    Nice axe. My '69 which I bought new in '69 has no date stamp or any markings at all on the neck. Go figure.
     
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  15. Speedfish

    Speedfish TDPRI Member

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    Feb 24, 2015
    Southern United States
    Very cool. Thanks for taking the time to share it with us.:)
     
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  16. brbadg

    brbadg Tele-Holic

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    I imagine that any vintage guitar has had it's neck pulled,unless it's plainly obvious.
     
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  17. 2 Headed Goat

    2 Headed Goat Tele-Meister

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    Jul 28, 2012
    Here & Now
    I would leave it be. Not much is to be gained by pulling the neck IMO and as far as the oxidation that's a natural aspect of a vintage guitar. As brbadg mentions above, most vintage guitars have had the neck pulled plus disassembled, fondled, scrutinised, etc… kinda nice to see one that hasn't been... esp one that's hardly been touched. Why mess with that??
     

  18. 71Tele

    71Tele TDPRI Member

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    Dec 5, 2014
    Virginia
    I agree. Some people will pull the neck off a guitar for a yes or a no, not sure the guitar likes that. In fact I’m pretty sure it doesn’t. No big deal for a cheap guitar, but it’s not the same story with what we have here. It’s a beautiful Tele.
    The only reason to unscrew the neck would be for documentation, in case of a sale for instance, and only if the seller demands it. That is, pull the neck, take all the pictures you need, put the neck back the way it was, and leave the pictures in the guitar case so you’ll never have to do it again.
    IMO what this guitar needs is a setup with new strings, that’s all.

    Its serial # is 328205. Serial numbers for 1971 go –- from 300000 to 340000. Roughly – my Tele has a 71 neck date with serial # 343497…
    Also, it's sometimes possible to see the neck stamp, or at least enough of it, by simply removing the pickguard. It’s worth a try, instead of pulling the neck.
    Oh, and the pots codes can also help dating the guitar.
    However, 1971 is consistent with what I see on these pictures.
     
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  19. String Tree

    String Tree Doctor of Teleocity

    Dec 8, 2010
    Up North
    THAT is one sweet Tele!
     
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  20. Mike Simpson

    Mike Simpson Doctor of Teleocity

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    Mar 19, 2006
    Gilbert, AZ (PHX)
    Don't polish the hardware or the paint... Have you never seen antiques roadshow?
    Wipe the dust off of it and put new strings on it. I have no problem removing a neck on a Tele, it causes no harm.
     

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