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I could never go back to modeling...nothing is as good as tubes...

Discussion in 'Glowing Bottle Tube Amp Forum' started by bluesholyman, Sep 18, 2017.

  1. bluesholyman

    bluesholyman Tele-Holic

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    Maybe a modeling amp can have as good a sound as a tube amp, but it will never feel the same playing it - there is just something magical about those little glowing bottles and how that whole circuit works from end to end that is just inspiring to play...

    I have never tried a Fractal, but...I put my money on tubes...
     
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  2. blowtorch

    blowtorch Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    May 2, 2003
    Wisco
    I could never go back to tubes, nothing is as good as the versatility modeling provides


    :)
     

  3. Silverface

    Silverface Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

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    Yeah, versatility is great compared to good tone...attack...saturation...all those silly things modeling amps have to skip....

    :lol:
     

  4. blowtorch

    blowtorch Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

    May 2, 2003
    Wisco
    Incorrect statement, in my opinion and experience

    YMMV :)
     
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  5. Silverface

    Silverface Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

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    Well - see small button under previous post marked "edit". :D
     

  6. xafinity

    xafinity Friend of Leo's Ad Free Member

    Dec 24, 2015
    west of I-10
    none of the above comments
    only MY amps have the proper tone!
     

  7. blowtorch

    blowtorch Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    Yes, feel free to edit your inaccurate post if you'd like :p
     
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  8. Frodebro

    Frodebro Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    Confirmation bias...
     
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  9. blowtorch

    blowtorch Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    Wisco

  10. bluesholyman

    bluesholyman Tele-Holic

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    I'm not worthy
     
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  11. brookdalebill

    brookdalebill Telefied Ad Free Member

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    I used nothing but tube amps for the first forty years I played/gigged.
    For the last ten, nothing but modeling Roland Cubes.
    I miss, and like tube amps, BUT, I'll never go back to trying to depend on them for moderately heavy gigging.
    I have had no hassles with the Cubes at all.
    Love em'!
    I got no dog in any fight, but light, loud, versatile, dependable, cheap and replaceable modeling amps, like Mustangs and Cubes are hard to beat, IMO!
     

  12. bluesholyman

    bluesholyman Tele-Holic

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    You make some very valid points, and for "moderately heavy gigging" I think I'd have to agree...

    For the pure joy of playing, I have to go with tubes...
     
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  13. Silverface

    Silverface Poster Extraordinaire Ad Free Member

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    Nah, really nothing to it -

    A 34-oz Louisville Slugger works pretty well.

    But a for full-on analog "beating" a 5-lb. tire iron is unsurpassed!

    :lol:
     

  14. ndcaster

    ndcaster Friend of Leo's

    Nov 14, 2013
    Indiana
    tube amps smell better
     

  15. JD0x0

    JD0x0 Friend of Leo's

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    Touring musician here, who owns both modeling and tube amps. Modeling has its place, but that place is not on stage with me, and preferably, not in the studio, either...

    The 'versatility' of modeling programs like BIAS does not outweigh the lack of response, IMO. There are others, whose style of playing differs from mine that can use them just fine, and sure, I can use them 'just fine' as well, but I find them a huge hindrance to my expressiveness on the instrument, because the response is simply not there compared to a responsive tube amp. And trust me. I would LOVE to have a cheaper, lighter setup that gets it all done, but modeling doesn't deliver what I need without significant tradeoffs.

    For me, modelers are great practice rigs. You can often grab, with a single hand, an amp that's loud enough to keep up with drums, as well as a myriad of effects, all in one unit. It's great for grabbing and going over to a buddies to do some low volume jamming without having to lay out an entire stage worth of gear.
     

  16. xafinity

    xafinity Friend of Leo's Ad Free Member

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    So many earnest opinions, so many errors.
     

  17. brookdalebill

    brookdalebill Telefied Ad Free Member

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    Only one of us can be right, so, it's my turn.:rolleyes:
     

  18. Obsessed

    Obsessed Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    Montana
    S.S. has it's place in gigging, but tubes is where it is at for me. Modeling amps don't make any sense to me at all, because I have way too much fun with pedals. But that is just me and I'm not going to try to sway anyone, because I really like my tones and maybe modeling amp people like theirs too.
     
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  19. Frodebro

    Frodebro Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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    Steve Lukather's primary rig for sessions these days is a Kemper. I'd say he qualifies as an experienced touring AND studio musician. :)
     
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  20. Steve Ouimette

    Steve Ouimette Tele-Holic

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    Scottsdale, AZ
    I like both, but for different reasons. Modeling amps, software, etc. make short work of getting a tone up and going for recording, especially at night. I can mess around, work on a track, and then reamp it later once I get the performance together.

    That said I still haven't used a modeler that could beat an amp (tube or solid state) that was mic'd up to a speaker. There is always something a little plastic sounding and lacking in the low-mids on the modelers. Not sure if it's that there's an eq curve that is setup by the manufacter that they're using to have it sit well in the mix...but it never feels as big.

    Can't beat the convenience though. I use everything from Overloud TH-3 to Kemper to Line 6 Helix Native to Scuffham Amps S-Gear to Fractal and AmpliFire. All are excellent in their own way.
     

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