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Humbucker in neck too dark. Need brighter options plz

Discussion in 'Just Pickups' started by BBEgo, Oct 11, 2018.

  1. BBEgo

    BBEgo TDPRI Member

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    Riverside, CA
    Hello all! I have a G&L ASAT Tribute series classic Bluesboy. Got it for $300 on a MF Stupid Deal.
    Bridge sounded ok, but the bucker in the neck is so dark sounding that it's pretty much useless.
    Both pickups squealed so badly using higher gain, I knew I was gonna have some work to do before it would be a fully serviceable guitar.

    I put a Kinman Bridge Blaster in the bridge and OMG what a night and day difference. Great tone, looks nice, dead quiet, no squeal (in that position), and now I'm mostly in business.

    Now here's the problem: I want the humbucker to be brighter. Not bridge bright, obviously, but at least useable. The research I've been doing leads me to believe that the main problem is 250k pots do not play nice with humbuckers.

    I don't want to change pot values, because I'm super happy with my current bridge pickup sound. I reckon I'll spend 80% of my time on the bridge pickup anyway, but I'd like to find a pickup to put in the neck that'll sound great with 250k pots for those times when I want a different kind of sound.

    Humbucker, P90, Single, whatever. Long as it retains the humbucker shape and look.

    Any ideas? Thanks!
    Scott
     
  2. JD0x0

    JD0x0 Poster Extraordinaire

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    I found the G&L tribute buckers dark as well. I replaced mine with Wilde L90's. To me, they have the nice qualities of a PAF, without the mud. They also split very well, so you can get some extra versatility, if you want to take advantage of the wiring options.
     
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  3. bender66

    bender66 Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

    Jan 18, 2010
    on my bike
    Imo any hb you put in there is gonna sound similar with 250k pots. It'll sound different as it's a different pickup.

    Put a 500k pot in with a resistor so your single will still see the approximate 250k value but your hb will see the 500k value.
     
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  4. Papa Joe

    Papa Joe Friend of Leo's

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    It sounds to me like a P90 would work for you..They are available in HB form..
     
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  5. bender66

    bender66 Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

    Jan 18, 2010
    on my bike
    My recomendation is cheaper too as well as you not knowing the potential of the current pickup before you jettison it.
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    Or you could just find a happy medium like the 375k pots Fender used in the 52 HR.

    I have 300k pots in my Firebird copy as Gibson spec'd bitd. It sounds underwhelming & dark.
     
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  6. LoveHz

    LoveHz Tele-Holic

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    Nov 21, 2014
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    Seymour Duncan Phat Cat P90.
     
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  7. JD0x0

    JD0x0 Poster Extraordinaire

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    Mine (ASAT HB Deluxe model) had 500k pots and it still sounded really rolled off in the neck position. I think some of the G&L buckers use brass covers and baseplates, which darkens the tone a bit, which I believe was the reason, in my case. I suppose you could remove the cover and wire it to see a 500k/1Meg pot load might open things up enough, for a low budget option, without swapping pickups.
     
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  8. BBEgo

    BBEgo TDPRI Member

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    Mar 22, 2014
    Riverside, CA
    I appreciate the potential low-cost option, Bender, but I'm afraid the pickup has to go anyway due to the squeal it has when you put any dirt on it.

    I'm kinda liking the Phat Cat idea!
     
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  9. Lawdawg

    Lawdawg Tele-Meister

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    Mar 13, 2018
    Atlanta
    P-90 sounds like a good idea. You may want to check out a Lollar El Rayo which is intended to have more clarity and top end than a typical HB.
     
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  10. lineboat

    lineboat Friend of Leo's

    Aug 6, 2012
    DiMarzio 36th Anniversary. True PAF tone that sounds great on 250k pots.
    It’ll surprise you at how well it pairs with a Tele bridge pickup!
     
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  11. Mincer

    Mincer Tele-Meister

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    A Jazz sounds good with 250k pots. Even brighter than that is a Full Shred.
     
  12. Viejo

    Viejo Tele-Holic

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    Gibson Burstbucker, they are wound with one coil so dominant they might as well be single coils
     
  13. viking

    viking Friend of Leo's

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    Feedback problem could maybe be solved, does it have a cover? Making sure it's on there tight could solve it. It's not that hard to improve on factory potting... .Apart from the feedback issue , I would wire it with no tone control on the neck pickup, brightens it up some
     
  14. dogmeat

    dogmeat Tele-Holic

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    another P90 vote
     
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  15. Antigua Tele

    Antigua Tele Friend of Leo's

    Jun 2, 2014
    west coast
    Just wire the neck HB in parallel. An HB sized P-90 will probably be just as dark, if not darker, than what you already have.
     
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    uriah1 Doctor of Teleocity Ad Free Member

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  17. gwjensen

    gwjensen Friend of Leo's

    I put a Lollar El Rayo in the neck of my tele some years ago (replaced a Duncan '59) and never looked back. Super articulate and the split coil is like a Strat. Expensive, though...
     
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  18. alnico357

    alnico357 Tele-Meister

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    Jun 2, 2015
    Arkansas
    The Carvin M22V neck humbucker solved my problem of a muddy neck sound in 1991. It is my favorite all time pickup.
     
  19. zombiwoof

    zombiwoof Tele-Holic

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    Oct 17, 2008
    Tujunga California
    Have you tried adjusting the pickup lower and raising the polepieces?. That will help get a brighter sound. Many players replace pickups when just adjusting them or replacing the pot with a higher value will fix the issue.
    Al
     
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  20. Papa Joe

    Papa Joe Friend of Leo's

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