How did he do this? John 5 effects question.

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  1. rrobbone

    rrobbone Tele-Meister

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    How the heck does he do the filter sweep at the end of this video?

    https://www.instagram.com/p/BxfYp3WHzXg/

    I see him reach behind for something, but then it looks like he's going for the tone knob (or switch where the tone knob would be). What is that?

    I know pedals can achieve this, but I want the onboard effect if it exists!

    I can't find any info anywhere.... any ideas?
     
  2. Naigewron

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    Sounds like basically just adjusting the tone knob with heavy gain.

    I don't think he's reaching behind him for anything; he's just doing a rock pose
     
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    Maybe it's just the crappy vid quality, but I'm thinking I hear a filter sweep.

    Even if I'm wrong about the vid - I'd still love an onboard filter sweep! That's what I'm looking for, if anyone has any info...
     
  4. rrobbone

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    Ugh, I can't tell if he's sitting on an amp or something or if there's an effects box next to him he's reaching for.

    I can do this effect in my DAW after recording, no problem. I'm pretty sure I can get that done in Helix as well and use the pedal to sweep it, but I'd love to have that ability onboard. I looked for a while last night, but no love.
     
  5. El Marin

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    Is just using the tone pot as a Wah
     
  6. rrobbone

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    Nvm, found it myself.
     
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    What was the answer?!

    Sounded to me like a sweep of some sort. Could have been a flanger, too. The original tone is very thin without any bass, and it sounds like he might have rolled the tone off along with some kind of flanger or phaser.
     
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    Do tell
     
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    I didn't find the method our Mr. 5 used, however - it led me down a rabbit hole I'd found unreasonably expensive to go down previously.

    Look no further than Muse guitarist Matt Bellamy who uses a Manson guitar with a touch sensitive XY pad to control various parameters and instruments. The Manson models are rather pricey, but my research shows that you can easily install an XY pad without spending so much. That is, if you are willing to dig out extra holes in your guitars and are already surrounded by MIDI compatible gear - I can tick both of those boxes since I also like to produce electronic music and I also make guitar bodies.

    Bellamy's method seems far more flexible to me, especially since one of my favorite tone shaping methods is to run signal through the effects of my VST instruments. The XY pad addition means I can control any assigned MIDI parameter from my guitar, rather than my mouse. A very appealing idea.

    I'd still really love to know how John 5 did his trickery, even if it's academic at this point. I still feel like it's something other than just manipulating a stock tone knob. I definitely hear a digital parameter or two being tweaked there, even through the poor recording quality.

    I know it could potentially just be a plain ol' tone knob... but something tells me 'that's no moon...'
     
  10. blowtorch

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    That's no tone knob turning IMO. I agree with the XY pad theory.
    I've got one of these that does that:

    Fun to mess around on
     
  11. rrobbone

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    I shoulda bought one of those when they came out. They're rather difficult to find these days.
     
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    Bought mine used for super cheap. It is a lot of fun, and, I need to mess with it more
     
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    I'd be willing to bet tone pot (could be a weird circuit in his guitar) or an actual wah on the floor.

    He does seem to know *all* the tricks.
     
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    I wonder if the kaos pad is compatible with helix as an expression device...
     
  15. rrobbone

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    I have a Helix, and it wouldn't surprise me a bit if it was. They both have MIDI in/out/thru...
    Well, the nicer Kaoss Pads do anyway. Not so sure about the smaller ones.
     
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