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Hollow guitars at gig volume

Discussion in 'Other Guitars, other instruments' started by charlie chitlin, Nov 7, 2017.

  1. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

    Mar 17, 2003
    Spring City, Pa
    Many of us know about howling hollowbodies and harnessing that feedback/sustain, but has anybody noticed it working the other way?
    Sometimes it seems like the sound hitting the guitar (or whatever) actually cancels the note and it just goes thunk and croaks.
    What could help this?
    Twiddling the tone stack?

  2. brookdalebill

    brookdalebill Telefied Ad Free Member

    Nov 15, 2009
    Austin, Tx
    My Gretsch Chet is hollow, and does not feed back.
    The F holes are painted on, so it resists feedback well.
    Sounds great, no hassles.

  3. bottlenecker

    bottlenecker Tele-Afflicted

    Dec 6, 2015
    Never had that happen. I've only had the kind that turns the guitar into a sustainer, and it's like surfing a wave.

    Sounds like a phase issue, maybe. Try pointing the speaker away, or maybe check wiring. Does it happen at just certain volumes?

  4. juxtapolice

    juxtapolice Tele-Holic

    Mar 31, 2011
    Jersey City
    From my experience, fully hollow guitars don't have a lot of sustain but they obviously have a lot of air moving around in them. Are you using gain? Distortion, really clean ? I find my casino doesn't like distortion but handles edge of breakup and fuzz really well, also I think the most important factors are distance from amp/speaker.. You can literally feel when the guitar is resonating but it'll sustain in a very different way than a solid body

  5. rze99

    rze99 Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

    Feb 26, 2014
    South London UK
    I used to gig a 335 at relatively high gain and volume levels. An old trick but I used to fill the f-holes with black velvet material and that stopped the uncontrolled and unwanted howls. Sure it probably affected the tone a bit but with gains sounds it matters less.

  6. rze99

    rze99 Friend of Leo's Silver Supporter

    Feb 26, 2014
    South London UK
    My casino sustains pretty well and is mostly fine with regular gain levels but it will howl a bit when a compressor is used at higher volume levels

  7. Mr. Lumbergh

    Mr. Lumbergh Poster Extraordinaire

    Jun 13, 2013
    Initech, Inc.
    If I really need to let a hollow rip, I use my center-block Gretsch.

  8. cyclopean

    cyclopean Tele-Afflicted

    Aug 14, 2009
    innsmouth, MA
    i like howling feedback.
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  9. screamin eagle

    screamin eagle Friend of Leo's

    Oct 9, 2008
    S. CA
    To me it sounds like a frequency type thing. I've heard it at low volumes (sounds like a dead spot), but not at stage volumes. However I was a gig last weekend playing my Casino and every time I hit a certain note it was like there was a fan inside the guitar blowing air aggressively out of the bass-side f-hole. I've had this guitar for years and never had that happen. The gig wasn't really any louder than usual either.
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  10. charlie chitlin

    charlie chitlin Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

    Mar 17, 2003
    Spring City, Pa
    Had it happen several times.
    I love that!

  11. Durberville

    Durberville Tele-Meister

    Jun 6, 2011
    Leighton Buzzard
    Screamin eagle I had this thing happen to me at a gig last weekend with my casino too , it was only a couple of notes but the guitar didn't like them !
    I can sometimes tell when the feedback is going to come as I can feel the guitar vibrating against me. It's not a pleasant feedback either, more of a howl !

  12. FMA

    FMA Poster Extraordinaire

    Apr 29, 2003
    Maybe its a frequency thing, backing off on the low end helps, or too much volume. I've been gigging my Gretsch 5420 for a while now and it does what I want it to do at a volume that works. Throw some gain in the chain from an OD and it sounds great and has a decent amount of sustain that, in certain circumstances, can blend into some nice, musical feedback. I think the key is controlling stage volume and finding the sweet spot,

  13. Veltek

    Veltek Tele-Holic

    Sep 17, 2016
    Blues country
    Keep the guitar body pressed against your body. Keep your back to the amp. Put some space between you and your amp if possible.

    Worst case scenario stuff a T-shirt inside of it and/or cover the F holes.
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  14. jd53

    jd53 TDPRI Member

    Dec 29, 2011
    I’ll have extra feedback please.

  15. mexicanyella

    mexicanyella Tele-Holic

    Jan 26, 2012
    Troy, MO
    I used this old Silvertone acoustic archtop at gigs for a few years when a past band was going through a semi-acoustic phase. I added the neck pickup, which was a really crude single-coil from a broken no-name early 60s Japanese was basically a tiny rectangular coil with no pole pieces inside the hollow chrome vaguely PAF-shaped "can." The pickup screwed right to the guitar top and was was pretty microphonic. The guitar was completely hollow.

    I plugged it into a few different rigs, always with a small amount of compression and low enough gain that it would just barely break up if I played hard. I could go pretty loud with it, but it liked to take off on--as I recall--G and sometimes G#...mostly when played on the low E string but sometimes elsewhere on the neck. When it did, you could feel the resonance in the body and the sense of vibrating air around the F-holes.

    The suggestion above about keeping the guitar's back pressed against you worked for me too...I could lessen the resonance, or kill it completely sometimes, by doing that, and turning away from the amp always helped too. So I looked at it as sort of a fun effect and it never seemed like a song-ruining bit of chaos to me.

    Eventually I began to use an alternate tuning and that changed the resonance enough that it became less common at any of the volume levels I used.

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