Help identifying vintage Altec Lansing speaker

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  1. bigcatsrule

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    Hi All,

    New to this forum and seeking help identifying a vintage Altec Lansing speaker. It's in an custom made external cab I'm thinking of getting for my Mesa Mark 1. Looks similar to a 417 but there is nothing on the label to indicate model. I couldn't find anything on the frame. I've included pics of what I could find. Any help is greatly appreciated.

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  2. jimash

    jimash Friend of Leo's

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    Looks like an Altec 417.
    Had one in my oooold Twin.
    Very much like an EVM 12-L, big tough 100 watt twelve. Good for Boogies.
     
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    Usually the model is on the label on back of the magnet. It looks a lot like the 417 I have in my Boogie MK I RI. It's a great sounding speaker. When I sell the Boogie I might just keep the Altec.
     
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    It certainly looks just like the 417s in my SF Twin. Great speakers
     
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    jimash, how ooold was that twin? It does sound similar the 12L in my Mark 1. My MK1 is ~1974. The EV is newer than that.

    Paul in Colorado and Lawdawg. Thanks for the replies!
     
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    My dad drove us to the city, and we went to a warehouse that my teacher knew about.
    I wanted a Super, but the Supers were $280.00 Dad had set a serious limit of $250.00 which bought a NIB Silverface drip edge,. god-knows-how-many-watts, Twin Reverb. Call it 1969.
    I had gigs, and the Gibson Mestro reverb wasn;t cutting it.
    The first speaker (Jensen ?) went bad after a large outdoor gig.
    Replaced under Warranty. After a while, I noticed that the new one was going. Strangely the other one never went. I pulled the bad speaker, and asked for one that would suck up the extra wattage. Remember, I was 15, and gonna do this myself. So they sold me the Altec. Forever after, that amp was a lopsided carry. Once that thing was in there it was indestructable, even after I had it "hotwired" much like the '68 Customs, but less polite. I still miss it, especially when I hear it on tape.
     
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    I have a 417 in a custom cab with a 1956 Gretsch Executive. Good Lordy what a fine combination.
     
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    Good story and memory. "a lopsided carry". that's too funny. :)

     
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    Tomm, I assume yours says 417 on the tag? I am still unable to find a 417 that has a tag like the one I'm looking at.
     
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    Yes mine says 417C, I’ll post a pic later
     
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    All of the 417’s that I have owned...A,B,C and H models...have the full model designation on the Labels. The A,B, and C speakers I have had look like the speaker you show us, bigcatsrule.
    There are speakers for sale on line that look just like the one above and the claim is made that they are 417’s. ????
    Did Altec not have a model designation on the labels for the very first version???? I wonder if Great Plains Audio, who owns the Altec thing now, have any archives or first hand knowledge?
     
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    Thanks for the input, Wally. I've sent an email to GPA. Love what they are doing. I had no knowledge of them before. Hopefully they can help!

     
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    The label looks clipped off at the top. The one in this picture is similar,but not clipped. Maybe they ran out of 417 labels at the factory and cut off labels meant for another speaker ?
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    How 'bout a picture of the front of the cone?
     
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    jimash, great catch. You may have hit the nail on the head. It definitely looks like it was cleanly cut off. I didn't notice that the "border" along the top appears to be missing. If that's it, it looks like it probably came from the factory that way.
     
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    Not real comfortable pulling the speaker out as it still belongs to a friend. The grill is not removable. I'll post a pick if I decide to purchase it. I haven't even asked him how much he wants for it yet.
     
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    Hey guys, If it is a 417 is there a way of telling which variant it may be? C, 8H etc.? Or does this being an 8 ohm speaker dictate that?
     
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    I don't remember any of the 417 variants with a cloth surround but I may be wrong or it could been re-coned at some point. And it is missing part of the label. The Altecs are great speakers. I have the 15" versions in my Pro and my Ampeg Gemini and a couple 12" in a cab for my 64 Tremolux.
    Thanks John
     
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    Thanks John, When you say missing part of the label does that mean that the original label was 2 or more pieces. I saw a picture of another one with the same label this afternoon. I'm curious if that is not uncommon.
     
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    Thanks all. I contacted the good folks at Great Plains Audio (Thanks Wally!) and they quickly identified it as a 417-8C. I consider the issue resolved at this point and I've now purchased the cab from my friend. I'm a happy camper. :)
     
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