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Discussion in 'Finely Finished' started by tcarp, Jun 7, 2010.
what was the drying time? did you use nitro for your clear coat?
I have tried using the duplicolor clear but it doesn't seem to really get hard. Even after months it was still susceptible to imprints. I have however had great success with the Perfect Match rattle cans and nitro clear on top.
+1. Stay away from that stuff. The primer is great though.
Hmmm...thats odd. I've used the Duplicolor Perfect Match with the clear over it on 3 bodies all done in the last year and a half or so and always liked the combo and results.
I wonder if this could be a humidity level difference. Where I'm at low humidity is the norm. Just speculating.
Could be. I live in central Kentucky. Summers here are very humid and muggy. But I've never had an issue with the nitro finishes I've done. Who knows, could be operator error on my part.
Duplicolor light blue metallic on a Tony Rincon custom.
Still in process. Duplicolor sunburst gold metallic on a PRS SE Soapbar. No clearcoat yet.
'Electric Blue' Metallic Duplicolor, with a Minwax clear lacquer.
I use Duplicolor all the time, from Perfect Match to Metal Specks to Metalcast. I've clearcoated it with Reranch, Deft, and Hood lacquers with zero problems.
I use Reranch products when I can, but as much as I love them the Duplicolor gives me more color choices and I can get them same day.
A couple of my guitars are on the Duplicolor website in the Success Stories section.
Duplicolor dark cherry metallic with minwax clear coat. First and only time I've used it but wont be the last.
Scojan, I love this color but I need more info. Exactly which Duplicolor part number did you use? How did you prep this guitar?
Those are super nice success stories. I'd like to try the
Metalcast orange over the Metal Specks Silver. Can you
say more about how you finished your orange success
story? For instance, what did you use for primer and
for the clear coat?
Duplicolor Perfect Match
'CBCC0430 Electric Blue Met' (B35/PC3) that's the # up here in Canada, not sure if it'll be the same elsewhere.
I used Deft sanding sealer, 2 coats, light sanding with 600 grit.
No grainfiller needed as it's a cherry body.
Duplicolor grey Primer, 2 coats.
Duplicolor EB Met, 1 full can.
Minwax gloss Lacquer, 2 full cans.
Wetsand 600-800-1200 grit.
Turtlewax brand Polishing compound, with buffer.
I usually use Rustoleum sandable primer, and those were clearcoated with Deft.
I built this strat earlier this year using Duplicolor Charcoal Gray Metallic. Clear coated it it with Behlens Stringed Instrument Lacquer.
I painted one using duplicolor metal spec burnt copper. Can out nice with a vintage kinda look to it. I primed it , wet sanded it then spray the copper then used minwax clear poly and wet sanded with 2500 and buffed it out. Smooth ad butter. But the head stock paint cracked from wet sanding to early.
re: Duplicolor thoughts.
The preamble: Yes, I've shot lots of lacquer (and lots of other kinds of paints too) - nitrocellulose, acrylic, you name the brand, I've probably shot it. I've bought and used it by the tens of gallons for over 35 years. As I type this, I have eight gallons in my shop, in half a dozen colors plus clear...so I do shoot both color and clear pretty regularly.
Second preamble: You guys who have done such nice jobs on the guitars shown above are to be commended...I am NOT knocking your work, I respect the nice results show in the pictures, and I admire your obvious love for the subject. However, I do want to suggest that if you spent that kind of time with Duplicolor, then I believe you've very likely wasted a lot of labor to get there. Look, lacquer just isn't that difficult or slow. Just imagine if you started with a real quality finish material like Dupont or PPG!
Duplicolor: My recent personal experiences with a few quarts of duplicolor (as sold at your local automotive box house) is that it is an inferior product. I suppose one could call it "lacquer" in the technical sense of the word, but it is not a standard solvents formulation. I believe they have cheaped out on the solvents, both in quality and type.
Shootability - it shoots very poor. Flow is lousy. Fisheye problems seemed particularly endemic.
Dry Time - The dry times are agonizingly slow by lacquer standards.
Compatibility - In my experience it is NOT really compatible with quality brands of lacquer, such as Dupont, RMI, PPG, etc. It DEFINITELY will not mix with other brands in the can. By contrast, when necessary to create a custom color, I've mixed numerous acrylic lacquers across brands as diverse as PPG, Dupont and RMI with good to excellent shooting results.
Conclusion: With regard to Duplicolor, my question is this. Since there are so many other options out there which shoot, handle and look like old time lacquer...why mess with Duplicolor? I would call Duplicolor quarts an amateur quality 'quickie' finish material. It dries poorly, does not harden well, and generally feels cheap, when compared A/B with industry standard lacquers. Personally, I would NOT shoot nitro clear over it. I would not recommend it for any finish wherein durability, ease of finish, or a fine final polish is a prime consideration.
My experience with Minwax clear lacquer is that it is vastly overpriced and precut 1:1, so you're really getting about a pint of clear for the price of a quart. That said, it does spray o.k. and seems to behave as a typical nitrocellulose clear lacquer. IMO, there are better choices for much less money.
For nitro lacquers, try your local PPG home finishes store. I buy nitro clear there all the time for about 20 bucks a gallon...and it is not cut as bad as the Minwax stuff. 1 gallon of PPG nitro cut .75 makes 7 quarts of sprayable. Cut it with .75 gallon of DuPont Nason thinner - you have a total of 39 dollars in 7 quarts of sprayable. That's about 5.50 a quart, 1/3 the price of Minwax quarts! You can cover a lot of wood with 7 quarts of sprayable.
A final note - buy quality thinner. In case you didn't already know this, all lacquer thinners are NOT the same. Just because it says "lacquer thinner" on that blue and yellow can does NOT make it a good thinner. Yeah, I'm saying that quality thinner is not that wash crap they sell at Home Depot for eighteen bucks a gallon. If you ever shoot with DuPont 3602, you'll never go back to the garbage they sell at HD. Even DuPont's Nason (their supposedly "cheap" thinner at 11 bucks a gallon) shoots far better than that brush cleaner they sell at the Home Depot.
Excellent write up. Should be a sticky or in the resources area.
Guitarnut seems to be getting very good results with
Duplicolor. Here's a pointer to one of his several
current build threads , at about the point where
he starts using Duplicolor.
Hi. I'm curious about the DuPont lacquer you mention, since
I've never seen it mentioned on TDPRI before (usually we hear
about Sherwin-Williams lacquer).
Do you happen to know the name of the product?
So far I've only found this, which is labeled as acrylic: