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Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by SURF, Jun 18, 2017 at 10:21 AM.

  1. SURF

    SURF Tele-Meister

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    My deepest condolences to all. I can't stand what had happened there. No politics.
     
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  2. william tele

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    There are building codes and permit processes for a reason. I can't even begin to comprehend people building a deathtrap like that structure.

    Sincere condolences and healing thoughts for those in London...
     
  3. SURF

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    And now Portugal... Another hell.

     
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  5. boris bubbanov

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    This new "rain screen" architectural process, of sheathing a building to control the exchange of heat and water vapor, must be accomplished with materials impervious to fire. It appears that not only were the sheathing materials not impervious to fire, they were highly inflammable. Incredible.
     
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  6. hemingway

    hemingway Friend of Leo's

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  7. studio

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    There's no end to safety measures or code regulations either.
    Same kind of thing happened in that Oakland fire. Code violations
    and a disregard for safety.
     
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  8. Sean65

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    Yes, a very sad and unnecessary case of profit before people and planet.
     
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  9. SURF

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  10. String Tree

    String Tree Doctor of Teleocity

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    God Bless the Souls that were lost and, bring comfort to their Families, friends and, Loved-ones.
     
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  11. zimbo

    zimbo Friend of Leo's

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    Thanks SURF for posting that story. What a disaster. The bravery of the firefighters has to be commended. I don't think they will ever forget that night.
     
  12. Bortyeast

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    And now another vehicle attack in North London. So terribly sad.
     
  13. studio

    studio Poster Extraordinaire

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    Big cities all have their problems.

    Things were worse when the fire brigades were
    Volunteers and the fire fighting equipment was
    sub par for the task.
     
  14. Musekatcher

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    Just more proof that rules, regulations and laws are for the lawful, and ineffectual for the unlawful. This time, we didn't get away with it, after a fire started and spread in the absence of a defense (non-flammable materials). Guess how many other sub-code tender boxes are out there, at risk and ready to repeat, when a fire emerges?
     
  15. 5ofeight

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    Seems to be a roll reversal with this one though.. sad, sad state of affairs.
     
  16. SURF

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    This burning cladding is allowed in high-rise structures. How can be them so silly? Were we talking recently about humans moving to Mars? Utter crap.

    Taken from: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4617436/Grenfell-Tower-Five-victims-identified.html

    "John Cowley, managing director of CEP Architectural Facades, which produced rainscreen panels and windows for Grenfell Tower's cladding sub-contractor Harley Facades Ltd, said: 'Reynobond PE is not banned in the UK.

    'Current building regulations allow its use in both low-rise and high-rise structures.

    'The key question now is whether the overall design of the building's complete exterior was properly tested and subsequently signed off by the relevant authorities including the fire officer, building compliance officer and architect before commencement of the project."
     
  17. Frontman

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    With 10 million pounds spent for the renovation of public housing one would expect good materials and workmanship. But this is seldom the case. The sad fact is that state-contracted work on anything from roads, to schools, to public housing units costs the taxpayers vast amounts of money, while delivering very little in the quality.

    In most countries (even America and those in much of Europe), contracting for public works projects is absurdly corrupt. Bid high, make a few promises to the council members in private, do the work as cheaply as possible, and divide the excess left over. If there isn't enough to grease all the palms involved, one takes advantage of clauses in the contract which allow for nearly unlimited cost overruns and delays.

    The inherent corruption in such projects has driven the costs so high that many of them are now unaffordable. It costs more to paint a bridge nowadays than it formerly cost to build one.

    And now we see the tragic results of what can happen because of this absurd business.

    I am not taking a left or right side view of this situation, as both sides are equally culpable in these processes.
     
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  18. BigDaddyLH

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    The death toll keep rising. I see the New York Times is listing it as 79 now.
     
  19. rich815

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    Yup, and loads more here in Oakland but you see we cannot just let the artists get kicked out of their illegal residences! Where will they go? Leave them alone! Unless of course there's another fire with deaths, then it's the city's fault again for not enforcing the rules.
     
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