Going crazy, do all delay pedals sound underwater?

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  1. jonyorker

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    Hey Forum,

    I've been on the hunt for a slapback / shortish delay pedal. I play country and blues.

    Trouble is, everything sounds underwater to me, even in sub 100ms 1 repeat slapback territory.

    I greatly appreciate fixes or alternative pedals.

    Current have an aquapuss, borrowed a carbon copy and a DD-7 from a friend.

    Thanks!
     
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    I guess underwater is in the ear of the beholder. I have two super-cheap delays (Donner and Rogue), and they both sound fine to me.
     
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    I like the Maxon AD9, or even the Ibanez AD9 depending on your budget. It can do subtle analog delay and slapback without the super wet reverb like quality.
     
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    Keep it subtle level and reduce/kill any extra reverb..

    I can get same issue if I overdo it.
     
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    hmm, I may have left the reverb on in the amp... I will try that out!
     
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    I prefer a delay pedal with independent level controls for dry signal and wet signal, or mix.

    I have some delays with only a mix control, and when you turn up the delay the dry part of your signal gets a little lost.

    I use the Cusack Tap-a-Delay that has level and mix controls.
     
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    Are you using the DD-7 also on Analog mode?
     
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    Just the Aquapus.....

    .... wait, you didnt accidently buy some sonar pedals did you?:(

    Seriously, slap with too many repeats always sounds like its underwater or in a pipe...
     
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    Every delay pedal I've ever used had that syrupy modulation to it to some degree or another. All the subordinate decays sound like a tiny synthesizer in an aircraft hanger. Like delay with reverb always present. So I suppose the answer is, yeah.

    I wonder if tape delay sounds more authentic. I'm assuming you are talking about a perfect reproduction of the parent tone within the subordinate decays. Or put another way, a dry delay.
     
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    I also hear that ‘washed out ambient sound’ with many analog delays, though it’s not that apparent with a slapback. The Ibanez Mini Analog was the worst offender for a clean slapback. It had this way of compressing the repeats that made it feel jarring without knocking down the mix. I’m going to try a 80s Boss DM-3 soon in it’s place, I hear good things about it.

    Meanwhile this other board, the mothership, has a El Capistan. Overkill, but it does excel at providing a nice, clear slapback.
     
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    I have the boss DM-2w Waza Craft. It is analog and I love this pedal. Sounds incredible. You can also hook up an expression pedal to it. I haven't done that yet but there are many videos demonstrating how to do it. This pedal sounds really, really good in my rig!!
     
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    I find analog delays to get too muddy, but of course it's all in the ear of the beholder. The DD-7 is a great pedal. I'd check some example settings in the manual or online.
     
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    I have a Memory Boy.. it can take you "Under the Sea" in a heartbeat, blend control is very important... especially for slapback I reduce the mix to be more dry and it takes care of the underwater sound.

    Also turning the volume up on the amp reduces the perception of this IMO.

    I think you are looking for a Digital Delay that is very clean/bright though. If it is emulating something it should be emulating a Tape Delay, NOT an emulation of an analog BBD delay.
     
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    FIFY;)
     
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    Check what delays do to your dry sound. Turn the blend knob all the way down and go switching the pedal on/off. That's may be one of the reasons why they sound kind of "underwater".
     
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    I've had a Hardwire DL-8 for a while and I still haven't scratched the surface of what it can do. I love the Slapback mode, but it also has Analog, Tape, Lo-fi modes and more. Highly recommended! Slapback mode demo at around 5:00 mark.
     
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    I'll "echo" the advice to turn down /off the reverb when your slapbackin. Aquapuss and CC are awesome and should not be the issue IMO.
     
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    Very few delays offered these days will actually work underwater. Dont feel bad, you're not going crazy, many people mistakenly have this view of delay pedals.
     
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