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Gibson have apparently learned nothing.

Discussion in 'Bad Dog Cafe' started by WetBandit, Sep 12, 2018.

  1. Dave W

    Dave W Friend of Leo's

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    No, they may not be on Gibson's website yet, but the SG Bass, TBird and EB4/5 are all back for 2019. The TBird and SG Bass have ditched the Babicz bridge and gone back to the old 3-point, and the TBird has gone back to the TB-Plus pickups. Sweetwater has at least one of all four models in stock now. The RD reissue seems to be gone, but that was a limited edition anyway.
     
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  2. BigDaddyLH

    BigDaddyLH Telefied Ad Free Member

    Well stated! Change, however, is a tricky thing for many guitarists, and many people in general, come to think of it.

    Story time. My wife likes change. She's always clipping new recipes from magazines and trying them out. Then we have a friend, Carmel, who invites us for Thanksgiving dinner every October and puts on an enormous spread, and it's always exactly the same dishes. Exactly. One year my wife brought a side dish, shredded brussel sprouts with pine nuts and prosciutto. Now, Carmel always asks my wife to make that dish again, but my wife wants to make a new dish every year. This lead to a friendly exchange:

    "Change is good!"
    "No, change is bad!"
     
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  3. WetBandit

    WetBandit Friend of Leo's

    Oct 11, 2016
    Somewhere
    I'm just sick of everything around me going 100mph... to no apparent finish line.

    I've watched everything change around me rapidly for my whole life.

    I'm suffering a damn identity crisis because things can't stay the same for any length of time it seems.

    Why can't we take a few to actually enjoy ****, before we go off and "build a better mouse trap"?

    It's so unbelievably frustrating to get used to something just to watch it get removed or replaced, when there is no real need.

    I do not have a problem with things changing when a change is needed.


    Everyone seems so eager to just let everything change for the hell of it, for no real purpose.

    I personally feel that needs to stop or at least slow down.

    Its kinda like when the waiter comes by and swipes your plate while you are in the bathroom and you haven't finished yet.

    Its irritating and I'm sick of seeing it happen to everything that I recognize and love!!!

    I just saw what Gibson is doing and let out my frustration on them for drastically altering something I identify with...


    Just one more piece of me gone it feels like.
     
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  4. deytookerjaabs

    deytookerjaabs Friend of Leo's

    Jun 5, 2015
    Nashville
    They didn't drastically alter anything, wow, lol.


    They added a couple contours and an internal switch to one guitar model. Last year's model still had 4 push pulls along with all the other "modern" stuff, and btw those 2018's are $2500 on sale/clearance at the local GC's.


    This happens....every year
     
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  5. soulgeezer

    soulgeezer Poster Extraordinaire

    Nov 5, 2006
    Sinatra's World
    This I understand!
     
  6. WetBandit

    WetBandit Friend of Leo's

    Oct 11, 2016
    Somewhere
    I should have said something sooner... I've been very troubled with this lately.

    Its weighing on my mind heavily, like there is nowhere to turn that isn't different than it was before for better or worse.

    I'm a fan of variety, but I am about "changed out".
     
  7. Zesty feline

    Zesty feline Tele-Meister

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    Oct 12, 2015
    Australia
    How so?
     
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  8. soulgeezer

    soulgeezer Poster Extraordinaire

    Nov 5, 2006
    Sinatra's World
    I'm twice your age. Imagine the amount of change I've seen (and those who are older than me). We've gone from rotary phones and punch cards to having supercomputers in our pockets that people don't even look up from to have a normal, human conversation. TV has gone from Emergency, the Mary Tyler Moore Show, The Courtship of Eddie's Father, and Room 222 to Westworld, Rick and Morty (which I like, by the way), and every other kind of porn and obscenity-laced vulgarity you can imagine. Baseball is now more about stats than playing the game. And, music is a pale shadow of what it was when I was younger, consisting primarily of over-produced and ill-begotten pseudo-pop that has been ground out of some auto-tune factory run by Disney.

    Don't get me wrong, I like my big-screen HDTV. I'm not thrilled with a lot of what is shown on it.

    But, yeah, society and media culture have changed dramatically, and not necessarily in a good way. People have become even less connected, as technology has made it easier to distance ourselves from each other, while maintaining a veneer of interconnectedness via so-called "social" media. Newsflash: Media is by definition not "social." It happens at a distance, not up close and personal.

    Most kids don't remember a world where the current situation wasn't always the norm. They'll be fine as they grow up and when they get older, they'll miss the things that didn't survive their youth.

    In the meantime, I miss the simpler times of my youth. If I had a time machine, I'd go back to the 70s or 80s in a heartbeat. We had every convenience I'd rather not live without and none of the overwhelming, oppressive technology of today.

    It's called a mid-life crisis. If the age in your profile is accurate, you seem a little young for it. But, I remember my mid-twenties and I'm pretty sure I was similarly upset facing change - in myself, my living situation, and society - as well.

    You'll get though it. We all do.
     
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  9. rolloman

    rolloman Tele-Holic

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    Sounds like a real bastard to me. I'll stick with building my own Fender types. Hmmm maybe those are bastards too. Lol
     
  10. Old Tele man

    Old Tele man Friend of Leo's

    May 10, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    Will the post-Chapter 11 name be NORLIN-II (wink,wink)?
     
  11. warrent

    warrent Tele-Afflicted

    Sep 15, 2009
    toronto
    The Les Paul was introduced in 1952, Humbuckers were added in 57, Neck profiles were changed all through its original run. It's 2018 they added a few switches, the world is not coming to an end.

    i can understand the main point of your post but you have a severe case of rose colored glasses when it comes to the seventies. High crime, high inflation, riots, the cold war, it was not the best of times at all.
     
  12. soulgeezer

    soulgeezer Poster Extraordinaire

    Nov 5, 2006
    Sinatra's World
    I lived in (at the time) semi-rural New Jersey. None of those things were happening there in my youthful perception. It was pretty much as I remember it, I think.
     
  13. Pickcity

    Pickcity Tele-Meister Silver Supporter

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    My oldest friend and fellow band mate just bought a brand new LP standard with push pull pickup splits, and it is a phenomenal guitar. He paid $2600 retail. Gibsons are pricey. That should be no surprise to anyone. There are many to choose from, from all the years past if you don't like the newest model.

    I have always liked Gibson guitars, electric and acoustic. They are overpriced, IMO, but they are very good guitars in my experience. I've owned many Gibsons over the course of 33 years, and from every decade going back to the 60's, and have never experienced anything but succulent goodness. But please, keep hating on them. More for me.
     
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  14. Mr. Lumbergh

    Mr. Lumbergh Poster Extraordinaire

    Jun 13, 2013
    Initech, Inc.
    The only thing constant is change. If you always try to fight it, you’ll wind up exhausted and frustrated.
     
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  15. rolloman

    rolloman Tele-Holic

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  16. warrent

    warrent Tele-Afflicted

    Sep 15, 2009
    toronto
    Must have been very bucolic. I went to school in Boston in the 70's it wasn't.
     
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  17. Ebidis

    Ebidis Tele-Afflicted

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    Jun 27, 2016
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    The government mandates fuel injection, climate control, navigation, and full featured entertainment systems?
     
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  18. Ebidis

    Ebidis Tele-Afflicted

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    Bingo!
     
  19. Blrfl

    Blrfl Tele-Meister

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    May 3, 2018
    Northern Virginia
    Wow, eleven pages and not a soul posted anything about what the DIP switches do.

    Not being a Gibson guy, I went and looked it up. Two each for selecting tap/split and treble bleed on the pickups and one that enables/disables a transient suppression circuit that's useful when recording direct to an A-to-D stage. In other words, all stuff most people break out the soldering iron to change and, if they do, wouldn't be doing it often. And it turns out that they've been doing this since 2016, so this isn't even anything new.

    My telecaster must be a real abomination because there are currently has 15 DIP switches under the control plate. Doesn't matter what they do, though, because DIP switches are just plain bad, am I right?
     
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  20. gusfinley

    gusfinley Tele-Meister

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    Jun 11, 2014
    SLC, UT
    They do mandate fuel economy which fuel injection helps and climate control helps a bit with that.

    Now that you bring it up, though, auto manufacturers have lost their minds as well! I suppose they have learned nothing either. Their vehicles are now so expensive that you can finance them for FIFTEEN YEARS!!!!

    Do I need my phone to talk to my car, so that my car can read my emails en route? No, no I don't.
     
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