Genre Vs. Era: 'Creep' by Radiohead: Classic Rock or no?

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  1. radiocaster

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    It's not a music style, it's a radio format that plays only the most popular hits to the point of being extremely annoying.
     
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    And all of this is why Billy Joel is not Classic Rock. The key word is Rock. Billy Joel does not Rock.
     
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    You can't put Elton John's entire catalogue into the Classic Rock folder. Saturday Night's All Right For Fighting is Classic Rock. Don't Go Breaking My Heart is not. Island Girl is not.
    Billy Joel? No. None of it. I'm right. You're wrong. :D

    And let's face it, "pop music" as a term has been a handy little semantic argument used by folks who want to ignore the fact that there is indeed a difference between rock and pop. "It's all popular" is accurate, but we all know that "pop" doesn't mean that anymore. Pearl Jam was incredibly popular, but they didn't play pop music. Led Zeppelin and Metallica is not pop music, but it is popular.
     
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    Believe me, I am NOT disagreeing with you, I'm just saying that lots of so-called Classic Rock is neither classic nor rock
     
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    Well then, it's time to put our collective foot down, and draw the line once and for all.
     
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    Yes. I play in a punk band. Originals. And I understand why we call ourselves punk. But our songs could be country, straight up rock, lounge (not kidding) and other things, in addition to straight-up punk (whatever that is, given that the Clash, Jam, X, Dead Kennedys, Black Flag, Misfits, Ramones, Suicidal Tendancies, the Germs, Minor Threat, Bad Religion, Buzzcocks, Social Distortion and even Blink-182 are all considered punk bands).
     
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    Yep my punk bands play twangin honkytonk, bangin metal, psychobilly, stalker jazz, jumpin swing, frantic surf, AND YES some bloodthirsty punk as well
     
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    "Creep" is a classic, in my opinion. It is not Classic Rock. Neither is anything by Nirvana, STP, Pearl Jam, Sublime, etc. I'm interested in the bands I listed and I own multiple albums by each of them. I'm not hating. I listened to a lot of that music in high school, college... and ever since, really. I learned to play guitar in the context of those bands, and they are very distinct from Classic Rock.

    Grunge, Alternative, whatever, is from the age of the guitar anti-hero. If there is a solo in a song, it is often simple. If it is fast or complex, it is deliberately sloppy. It's all very different from the 60's, 70's, 80's guitar gods. Go back and read the reader polls in Guitar World for 'solo of the year' in the mid to late 90's and be utterly dismayed. Now think about the same poll if it had been taken 20 years earlier.

    Putting technicality aside, look at the evolution of popular music and its proximity to its roots: jazz and the blues. Classic Rock is closer to Rock 'n' Roll than 90's music. Its recording medium, technology, and probably ethos is different on the whole. There are common elements, one clearly must derives from the other, but they are different. For example, I hear the Blues in Hendrix, and hear Hendrix in "Yellow Ledbetter", but the Blues influence in the latter is far more remote.

    GnR isn't Classic Rock either. I love their music. They are on the edge, but they are further along on music's progression than Classic Rock. They have metal and rock 'n' roll in their sound. I don't think of it as Classic Rock, but it's certainly classic.

    As with everything, there are gray areas and exceptions to generalizations. The Stones are Rock 'n' Roll and Classic Rock. But 90's music can never be Classic Rock. It just can't. This is only my opinion of course.
     
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    The song that Radiohead ripped off for Creep is probably classic rock. From the guys who brought you Long Tall Woman in a Black Dress: The Hollies.
     
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    Hot funk
    Cool punk
    Even if it’s old junk
    It’s still rock and roll to me.


    Y’know who sang those lyrics?

    Frank Sinatra.

    Ya gonna argue with the Chairman of the Board? I didn’t think so.
     
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    Funny. Haven't seen that commercial in years. In the 90s we called the graying longhair burnouts "Freedom Rockers".
     
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    Was about to say the same! consider anything another band "appropriate" and have a hit with later on down the line to be a classic
     
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    A classic is something that strongly represents a form. It's a recognized, time-tested example of something - say, a style or a movement or a genre.

    There are overnight sensations, but there are no instant classics. When George Orwell wrote 1984 and Keep the Apidistra Flying, neither was a classic. They were just new novels. No one knew then that either would become a literary classic. Now one is classic dystopian-future fiction. The other is just a great old book.

    In short, a classic is an old hit. The Mona Lisa is a classic.

    Rock is a type of popular music invented in the US in 1950s that features an insistent backbeat (you can't lose it) and, at least in its earlier years, leaner lyrics and instrumentation than the dance music it shoved aside.

    So the Beatles' "I Saw Her Standing There" and Cream's "Sunshine of Your Love" are classic rock, while most people wouldn't consider the Beatles' "Her Majesty's a Pretty Nice Girl" and Cream's "Mother's Lament" to be classic rock.

    So: Has "Creep" stood the test of time yet? Is it strongly representative of rock? Your opinion is as good as anyone's.

    (But don't tell your wife that!)
     
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    Creep Radiohead is as different to post-Kid A Radiohead as Lindsey Buckingham Fleetwood Mac is to Peter Green Fleetwood Mac.

    The band names are the same but that’s about it.

    Can’t believe it’s been 7 years since I saw Thom and Johnny and the boys . Still one of the best nights of music I’ve ever witnessed - and I’ve been to a lot of shows.
     
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    Billy Joel doing a copy/pastiche of Joe Jackson
     
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    When I think classic rock I think 70's.
     
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    But don't draw it on my foot!
     
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    Alternative to ‘Hair Metal’

    Remember those tough guys in spandex with makeup and teased hair?

    I was so happy when Grunge happened...

    Ok, so I listened to Def Leopard and Poison when I was 11 or 12, but Grunge made it all better for me!

    I still feel like Grunge is ‘MY’ music... even thou I’ve been listening to loads of different stuff since those days...

    Radiohead isn’t Classic Rock in my opinion... But those stations will play anything that was rocky, popular and is a bit old now...
     
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    The Dazed and Confused movie soundtrack is a great example to me
     
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