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genius Tele saddle concept...

Discussion in 'Telecaster Discussion Forum' started by Lacking Talent, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. ndeli55

    ndeli55 Tele-Afflicted

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    33
    May 12, 2008
    oklahoma
    I love the velas. I've long admired that bridge too
     

  2. Old Tele man

    Old Tele man Tele-Afflicted

    May 10, 2017
    Tucson, AZ
    Give me six or give me a half-dozen...completely independently adjustable saddle, thank you.

    I actually LIKE being in tune...on every string.
     
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  3. moosie

    moosie Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

    Age:
    60
    Jul 18, 2010
    Western Connecticut
    Not exactly new technology, is it. Doesn't the fact that we've all been using similar bridge/saddle combos on our acoustics for a century count for any first hand experience?

    It's a good acoustic design in spite of it's inherent limitations, solely because of the goal of keeping extra weight off the vibrating top. Not a goal of the Tele.
     

  4. TwangToInfinity

    TwangToInfinity Tele-Holic

    Age:
    51
    620
    May 2, 2013
    Twangville
    i would guess a superpro setup guy could file intonated radius ed slots into that thing?
     

  5. boris bubbanov

    boris bubbanov Telefied Ad Free Member

    Good points.

    But I noticed something else, as well, other end of the spectrum in a way. When I had a saddle slammed hard down onto the bridge plate, making so much contact it really couldn't act independent of the plate, I'm not sure I liked that sound, either. Less of a vintage sound and more of a "Hi-Fi" sound I would say.

    Maybe there's a sort of sweet spot, where the loaded saddle makes, through multiple screws, a certain amount of contact with the plate - not too little and not too much.
     

  6. boris bubbanov

    boris bubbanov Telefied Ad Free Member

    And if he removes too much material (or more than the customer thinks he should have) .....

    Now he's "ruined" the whole thing?

    I feel like if I buy a brand new Bentley automobile, I want the radio stations already tuned in, and everything. I don't want anyone using cutting tools on my new precious toy.
     

  7. Lonn

    Lonn Tele-Afflicted

    Age:
    55
    Dec 13, 2007
    Indiana
    Right, or maybe a different material altogether. If I had the tools I'd make a stone nut and stone saddles just for kicks.
     
    Last edited: Dec 6, 2017

  8. Doug 54

    Doug 54 Poster Extraordinaire Silver Supporter

    Dec 12, 2004
    Ohio
    Long time idea:
    Take the nice design of the nice Gotoh 6 saddle bridge.

    BUT, have no height adjustment screw holes per saddle.
    Gotoh or someone can offer the saddles in different heights to ensure the saddle fully contacts the bridge plate, no two grub screw perch.
    They could offer in heights of 1/32 increments, starting maybe at about 1/4".

    .
     

  9. bluescube

    bluescube Friend of Leo's

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    50
    Mar 9, 2004
    Greensboro NC

  10. jtees4

    jtees4 Tele-Holic

    934
    Jun 13, 2010
    selden, ny
    It's simple and interesting...I like it. I'm quite happy with my old vintage three saddle, but If I saw one cheap I'd give it a try.
     

  11. Evil Funk

    Evil Funk TDPRI Member

    51
    Sep 23, 2017
    Montana
    tried maybe.... but true? i like a properly intonated guitar.
     

  12. Ripradiant

    Ripradiant Tele-Holic

    907
    Jul 31, 2014
    Alberta Canada
    Don't believe all the urban myth/ sales talk you hear. Just because it has 3 saddles doe not mean that it is a problem and don't assume it therefore must have intonation problems! Intonation isn't a modern phenomenon... people in 1969 played their guitars in tune too. Options to deal with include: properly set up guitar; bending of saddle screws; compensated 3 saddle; learning to live with it; etc.
     
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  13. GuitarRandy

    GuitarRandy TDPRI Member

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    Dec 24, 2012
    Parker, Colorado
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  14. ebb soul

    ebb soul Poster Extraordinaire

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    Jun 7, 2016
    Smyrna georgia
    I don't think potmetal was Leos' best idea. MAYBE WORST.
     

  15. moosie

    moosie Doctor of Teleocity Silver Supporter

    Age:
    60
    Jul 18, 2010
    Western Connecticut
    Yep.

    And the learning to live with it part... I suspect 99% of us play improperly intonated, most of the time. Not because of three barrels. If you want to be truly perfectly intonated, as far as you can be on a guitar, then you need to intonate every time you change strings, do it on perfectly fresh strings, and change strings quite often. Playing on strings creates kinks, and those will no longer properly intonate.

    Then there's the fact that even with six saddles, you'll be perfectly intonated on the fret you choose to measure against. So, open and 12. Or 3 and 15, whatever method you use. But then gently fret a note on the 5th or 8th fret. Not in tune. Want it better? Get a piano.
     

  16. robt57

    robt57 Telefied Ad Free Member

    Feb 29, 2004
    Portland, OR

    Easy enough to make this piece in several radius cfgs for consumption, no?
     

  17. warrent

    warrent Tele-Meister Silver Supporter

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    Sep 15, 2009
    toronto

  18. Mxrk

    Mxrk TDPRI Member

    88
    Nov 17, 2016
    Tampa
    I love this idea, but the above quote was my first thought as well.
     

  19. robt57

    robt57 Telefied Ad Free Member

    Feb 29, 2004
    Portland, OR
    If the saddle matches the neck radius why would you need it?

    Looking at it has my brain wondering if the two end contact points might have an effect on the middle string VS the end stings being attenuated so you'd notice. Mix that with non staggered PU poles or radius mismatch... Or it bending down in the center if metal not alloyed.

    In my minds eye/ear, I see two center screws just to keep it from a sag and to have a more linear vibration transferring property. But probably overthinking it as I usually do.
     
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2017 at 4:12 PM

  20. Stratohacker

    Stratohacker Tele-Meister

    454
    Apr 18, 2013
    California
    I'm pretty happy with the traditional bridge and saddles.

    That said, I've never heard anything bad about a Ron Thorn guitar or product, quite the opposite so it probably works like a dream.
     

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