For aircraft enthusiasts: Set to fly again: the plane in which two "Battle of Britain" veterans flew

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  1. Blazer

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    Okay THIS sad looking hulk is a pretty important piece of aviation history. It is a Hispano Ha-1112 of the very rare M4-L Two seat trainer variant.
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    How the type looked when in service with its native Spanish air force

    Now to get back on that first one, which is the only surviving example and why it's significant. It one time was flown by TWO Battle of Britain veterans.

    And those veterans were of opposing sides.
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    This is Flight Commander Robert Stanford Tuck and General Adolf Galland in the mid sixties recounting war stories. Both men were hired as consultants for THIS movie.
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    This is a picture of Stanford Tuck during wartime, he was an ace in the Hawker Hurricane

    And here's Galland during that same period, he was an ace flying the Messerschmitt Bf-109
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    With the general public, Galland is known for being the guy who told Air Marshall Hermann Goering that he needed "A squadron of Spitfires" to win the battle of Britain.

    For the movie Galland was hired to get the "Luftwaffe" right, the production company had learned that in Spain, many of the aircraft that the Luftwaffe flew were still in service, so a deal was made with the Spanish to fly the planes for the movie. It was up to Galland to make sure the planes were flown like the Luftwaffe and LOOKED like the Luftwaffe.
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    The principal plane used for that role was the Hispano Ha-1112 M1L "Buchon" (Pigeon) which in Spanish hands was used as a ground attack aircraft, the Spanish were actually taking them out of service to replace them with Jet powered aircraft. So the movie company bought up the complete stock of still airworthy planes.

    The "Buchon" might have been a 1950's plane but Galland was familiar with the type because of the plane's German ancestry.
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    Because as this picture shows, the "Buchon" is a licence built Messerschmitt BF-109 albeit fitted with a Rolls Royce Merlin engine because the original Dailmler Benz DB-605 engine becoming increasingly harder to find.

    It is that fitting of the Merlin which gives the "Buchon" a very pronounced chin which is also why it has the "Buchon nickname.
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    A pigeon breeder showing two male "Buchons"

    A lick of paint and PRESTO, there we have a squadron of Messerschmitts.
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    Now to get back on the two seater.
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    In the movie it was used as a camera plane to film the action shots from within the "Luftwaffe" scenes and from other camera planes it wouldn't look out of place with the rest of the "Buchons" as it came into view.

    During the filming on Spanish soil, Galland was asked how long it had been since he flew the Messerschmitt and he said that it had been 26 years and he was offered a ride on the two seater, an offer he couldn't refuse. So he and the Spanish consultant took to the air and Galland brilliantly displayed the reason why he was a top scoring fighter ace in the first place.

    After the shooting in Spain was wrapped up, the whole circus moved to Duxford UK to film the UK scenes.
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    Hurricanes, Spitfires, a single Casa "Pedro" bomber masquerading as a Heinkel He-111 and Buchons ready for deployment.

    During that part of the shooting of the movie, Galland met Sandforf Tuck and the two of them decided to ride with the two seater once more. Making it the only occasion that a Veteran of the RAF and a veteran of the Luftwaffe flew together in the same plane.

    After the movie was completed, the majority of the Buchons were bought by airplane collector William Connie Edwards who shipped them to his Texas ranch and stored them there for 40 years.
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    They all were flyable and just needed some TLC.

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    Which is what happens now, Edwards is selling his collection and the Historic Two seater is among them. as I type this down, the aircraft is currently being respectfully restored and is set to fly in 2018.
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    Spellbinding and well researched .
    Commander Tuck & General Galland look as though they stepped right out of central casting - I could identify them without reading the caption .
     
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    Great story. Hope they get those old birds flying and keep 'em in top shape. Relics from history are fast disappearing.
     
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    I like the bombers of world war 2 from all countrys
     
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    Thank You Blazer for yet another great post!!
     
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    Excellent story behind these planes. As usual Blazer, I really enjoyed it. Thanks.
     
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    Great story and look at them feathered Buchons.
     
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    This Messerschmitt BF-109 G-6 photographed at the Warbirds gathering at Duxford last year, is actually a Buchon with Dailmler Benz inverted V engine fitted. Standing next to it are....

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    Two stock Buchons with their high chins, note also that the one in Desert colors also still has its wing mounted cannons, something that Messerschmitt BF-109 G6 didn't have for real.

    All three aircraft in flight, very easy to see which are the Buchons.
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    Wow. So interesting. My dad is a huge WWII buff and I loved the planes too. My favorites growing up were the P-40 Warhawk

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    and the B-52 bomber

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    Kinda have a bias towards American planes but the Spitfire was awesome.
     
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    Great post. Thanks for keeping us in the air.
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    Well here we are two years on and what do you know...
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    It went from THIS ^ to THIS
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    Beautiful restoration and it flies like a bird.
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    But without its stock bubble canopy, from what I learned that was for safety reasons, the plexiglass had deteriorated to such an extend that it simply wasn't safe to re-use it. So they took a look at Genuine two seater versions of the Me-109 and went "let's use that."
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    Brilliant - thanks, Blazer.
     
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    Fascinating! Thanks, Blazer.
     
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    Incredible! Thanks!
     
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    Nice one blazer, as usual.
     
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    fascinating
     
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    Another great history lesson.
     
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    Excellent!
    Thank you.
     
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    Bf 109 G-4, I believe. Certainly not G-6.
     
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    Awesome thread thank you.

    Glad I only found it with the before and after, the suspense would have killed me! :)
     
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